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View Room Comments for Wednesday, Nov. 7 2012

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lambkins 11/7/2012 2:21:25 AM Report

Congratulations Mr. President.

Now perhaps people can discuss other topics......
jean-paul 11/7/2012 3:10:59 AM Report

Morning. quack quack quack quack,more quackers later.
Halloween poll on sale of presidential mask was correct,Obama by a huge victory.Quack quack quack.
Looks like a lot of posters new crap about politics.QQQQQQQuuuuuaaaackkkkck.
Grace 11/7/2012 6:11:40 AM Report

Quack Quack Quack the "ONE" has been voted back!Four more years the Cons will shed tears. But it's Okay the Dems have won the day. Congratulations!
God Bless America.
Will he be able to bridge the gap with Republicans? Didn't the first term..will it be four more years of bickering? Guess we'll have to wait and see.
States now have voted in legal gay marrage and legal pot usage!
More like Canada every day!
Grump 11/7/2012 6:19:21 AM Report

Good morning everyone. I'm not going to say "I told you so" but congratulations to our American neighbours for making the only viable choice. Have a great day everyone.
Spellchecker 11/7/2012 7:03:33 AM Report

Today we resume the rapid decline and downfall of the United States of America, and ours along with it.
Retreaded 11/7/2012 7:07:04 AM Report

The USA might as well just give each president an 8 year term and save a lot of money. IT IS TOUGH TO OUST AN INCUMBENT.
realitycheck 11/7/2012 7:08:11 AM Report

Spellchecker:
No need to wear a sign front and back signalling the end of the world. No matter who won, the U.S. would survive. It always has. Sometimes you doomsayers are a bit much.
Spellchecker 11/7/2012 7:11:44 AM Report

What do you mean, it always has? It is past its 200 years, the average age of a civilization, and it has fallen into the same actions that always brings them down.
Brianne 11/7/2012 7:13:28 AM Report

Sometimes realitycheck, you need to give yourself a "reality check"........... cheeky is right....... you'll see !
Spellchecker 11/7/2012 7:14:15 AM Report

I guess realitycheck considers 238 years, always. It is actually a very brief period of time.
Spellchecker 11/7/2012 7:31:28 AM Report

http://www.goodreads.com/author/quotes/465.Alexis_de_Tocqueville
BIG BROTHER 11/7/2012 7:33:11 AM Report

Spelly,
Get a grip! Their military alone is larger than the next 13 countries military put together.

If you'll step out from under the cloud for a minute, you'd see the troubles they have suffered (and foisted on the rest of the world) were self-inflicted under the purveyor-ship of Dubya. And apparently, the people agree!!
Grace 11/7/2012 7:36:04 AM Report

I would say that if they fail to look at the divisions within their own country and take proactive steps to correct their behavior "forward" is going to never leave the starting gate.
Grump 11/7/2012 7:39:21 AM Report

Spelly with Obama's win maybe your Right Wing cousins will get it and co-operate in getting this show back on the road. I think if they don't there may be a hell of a backlash from the American public, and about time.
statusquo 11/7/2012 7:44:20 AM Report

I am rather confused by all this.
We were assured by rw and bluesslinger that Romney would win by a "landslide"!
Bluesslinger was here day after day telling us what his sources were predicting and that "Willard" would win the election and rw was right behind him , backing him up an LOL'ing when he berated the lefties for spilling froth.
We've endured months and months of "bye-bye Bobo" and look what happened.
Am I to believe that anything else posted by those two fellars has as much validity as the bullshit we've had the option to scroll past but were compelled to read?
I venture to guess that from now on we will hear "poor America this and poor America that" ad nausam with maybe Spelly whining about corruption and illegal immigration having denied Romney the White House.

No matter what happens next, the U.S and we here in Canada face some very uncertain times and I hope politicians on both sides of the border come to their senses and compromise for the sake of the well being of the majority and not the upper 10%.

I am not so confident about our own country coming to its senses and come the next federal election vote for a minority government, as the opposition has no credible alternative yet, just to keep Mr Harper in check. This guy is selling us off for short term gains and our debt is spiraling out of control.
Like it or not, but the record shows that Liberal Governments have historically been more adept at keeping the books in the black on both sides of the border.
The other day I posted a debt chart by Presidents clearly showing Reagan cranking up the deficit to unsustainable levels and Bush Junior exacerbating the debt load.
This was followed by LOL'ing by Spelly and rw pointing out the Bush/ Obama (conveniently leaving out Bush) transition period with the bailouts at a time when the U.S was faced with a depression era unravelling and completely ignoring the numbers by percentages.
I am off.....but before I go...Sarah Palin for 2016!!!
Try to "refudiate" that!

Spellchecker 11/7/2012 7:45:12 AM Report

I will leave you today with the wisdom of Alexis de Tocqueville, in the url above, if you can be bothered to read it.
See you later, folks.
BIG BROTHER 11/7/2012 7:47:09 AM Report

Grace, I agree with you. No more statements from elected officials to the effect of 'we're not going to cooperate with him at all'. Schoolyard bully tactics!! Or 'our mandate is to ensure he gets only a 4 year term'!

That is the mentality that will bring them down, for sure.
everson 11/7/2012 7:59:23 AM Report

Bam Bam / Oh how the Mighty Mitt has fallen. No speech ready other than an acceptancce speech. Come now Mitt life isn't that good. Obumer as Blues eloquently calls him defined Romney before Romney could define himself. Let the Wednesday Quarterbacking begin as Mitt hangs his cleats up.
everson 11/7/2012 8:02:06 AM Report

It is Sandy's fault. Damn hurricane.
nanag 11/7/2012 8:13:42 AM Report

Good morning kids

I just want to throw in my 2 cents .. (if my opinion is even worth that much)...
I know I had a few moments of frustration on here "listening" to all the political ..stuff but, overall, I did really enjoy all the chatter... some of which was down right funny.
It gave me a lot of food for thought.. I must admit I was (and still am) someone who brushes aside anything too political.. but once I really started to read stuff on here I actually started to listen and try to understand a bit more...
So thank you for making my poor tired brain perk up a bit and try to learn a little bit about a topic I really am not too fond of. I am sure there are going to be many many many more :-) days of discussion.. who knows what else I may learn.
Oldie Goldie 11/7/2012 8:13:59 AM Report

It was a close Election---but only close on the popular vote---Obama wiped out Romney in the Electoral Vote where it counted most.
Mitt gave it a good shot but failed.

Why was he so long until he made his Speech of Defeat ? Perhaps he was only programmed for a win ?

It will be difficult with a Republican House and a Democrat Senate but the Republicans would be better if they even try to co-operate in the House or the next Election they will lose the House of Representatives majority too.

The American people are fed up with all the Party Line voting only.
Budster 11/7/2012 8:40:22 AM Report

Well Obama wins again... good for him, he had the kind of pressure that Romney could never deal with. With his business experience he either makes it work or grabs his bonus' and runs and sell it off.
The art of compromise actually starts at home with siblings. In todays society with only single child families there is no need to compromise so as they grow up they don't know how to compromise and pick battles worth fighting for and which ones are not going to gain anything. the attitude is I win at all costs or never conceed an inch.
Romney could never learn to compromise because he is too used to getting his own way and therefore shouldn't have to compromise for the common good for there is not much common about Romney.
realitycheck 11/7/2012 8:55:00 AM Report

"Sometimes realitycheck, you need to give yourself a "reality check"........... cheeky is right....... you'll see !"

Brianne:
I never took you to be a doom and gloomer. Or are you just following the lead of Spellchecker? who at this moment is probably putting together a clapboard sign signalling the end of the world.
Grace 11/7/2012 9:02:25 AM Report

Maybe this is a start..President Obama thanked his supporters, spoke about unity and said he wants to work with Republicans and Democrats to move the country forward. He also said he plans to meet with Mitt Romney to discuss how they can work together.
T-rat 11/7/2012 9:11:28 AM Report

Thank god (all the gods -- OK Spelly?), that it is over and the majority of the American people have spoken.

But as hinted at in several posts today, will anything really change? Since there's no majority in both houses of Congress,can anybody be so hopeful as to think that a political party in opposition will actually put their egos and partisan politics aside long enough to work with the governmment for the betterment of the people in general? It doesn't work that way in Canada either....at any political level. Under these conditions political systems in both countries suffer from severe constipation -- nothing gets through but a lot of hot air! Because the party that didn't get in is going to do everything it can to punish the party that did (the government) at every opportunity over the period of the elected term, and in doing so will punish the country in general.

Of course, one possible remedy is to follow the rampant tweets of Donald 'the Twit' Trump after last night's Republican loss, and call the vote a sham and urge a revolution and a march on Washhington. Is this man nuts? As one tweeted back at him - does he not know what happens to wealthy people in a revolution?

And while I type this, it is hard not to notice that both rw and bluesslinger are missing in action. At least Grace had the good grace to appear and I respect her for that. As to rw and bs, after so many demeaning, belittling, know-it-all tirades and forecasts you would expect some response this a.m. Maybe they're off crying in their beer. And that would be so sad...a waste of good beer.

FORWARD!!!!!
learningaswego 11/7/2012 9:15:28 AM Report

America may be beyond the point of no return.
Obama does not have the will or spine to do what is needed - drastically cut the "cost of government".

When you have more voters that are takers of government largesse - welfare recipients, public sector unions, "government" employees - than contributors - people who make their living in the private sector, then the voters will always elect those who will continue to provide to the takers.

This has proven - beyond any doubt, to be an unsustainable situation for any democracy. Look no further than Greece or Spain for examples of the probable outcomes of this.
Right Winger 11/7/2012 9:20:55 AM Report

And unfortunately, Obama does not have to make decsisons to try and keep his job in four years. Even though he onlyn won by 2.5 million votes (2 %) he still won't yield to the center or right. As has been stated, he spent his first 2 years with a majority in the house and senate and spent that whole time pushing his health care bill through, instead of working on fixing the economy. Now that he really has nothing to lose, watch out on what he tries to put forth as his legacy.
learningaswego 11/7/2012 9:22:32 AM Report

Obama gave a good victory speech.
Well, whoop de doo, eh?

Obama has always been good at giving speeches.
But actually delivering the goods, achieving results, in other words actually DOING; Obama is a failure.
Grace 11/7/2012 9:27:00 AM Report

Right Winger..I beleive he may have realized that like Mitt did... moving to the center may be the answer.
Otherwise 4 more years of bi-partisanship
and deadlock.
Not good for business.
debo 11/7/2012 9:33:30 AM Report

Excellent post at 7:44 Stats, really covers a lot of the "territory" commented on here for the last two years or more.

The American electorate have taken part in the only "poll" that counts ... and have chosen Obama as their leader for the next four years.

BSlinger, as long as you cherry-pick your "facts" and post "modified" variations of what someone has actually stated, you will continue to truly be the "BSlinger".

DO NOT dump your oft-repeated mantra "Bye-bye Bobo". If you can keep it up for the NEXT FOUR YEARS BS'er ... you have an excellent chance of BEING RIGHT FOR THE FIRST TIME ... IN SIX OR SEVEN YEARS.

Budster 11/7/2012 9:35:02 AM Report

Grace:
That is what I was refrencing when I posted about compromise the only way democracy works is if both are willing to bend a bit. Just look at the NHL negotiations ... none .... my way or the highway.
Does Betman take cut in pay for the lock out??? Do the owners lose their pay for the lock out??? The art of compromise is gone.
bluesslinger 11/7/2012 9:35:34 AM Report

So, BoBo's around for four more years. Lets begin with some answers for Benghazi.

Chris Matthews: "I'm so glad we had that storm last week"
BIG BROTHER 11/7/2012 9:38:01 AM Report

Run, Chicken Little, Run!!!

The people have sent a message.....and they want Obama to carry it. Obama hasn't moved left, right or center. He has maintained his centrist role from the start. Mitt, however, did the etch-a-sketch thing and created an optical illusion that Obama was chnging his stance. Don't underestimate the pull the Tea Party has used to drag the GOP out of kilter. Whackos!!!
flyhawk25 11/7/2012 9:39:51 AM Report

Grace...I think you meant 'partisanship'.
Just one more example of Mitt's Morons blabbing nonsense and showing their ignorance of politics and language.
Find another topic to try.
The election is over. Your guy lost.
Frankly I don't care what you think and less about what you say.
Send out the next clown from the clown car caravan.
Go read a book.
Without pictures.
RLE 11/7/2012 9:45:33 AM Report

Flyhawk:

May I suggest "The Audacity of Hope: Reclaiming the American Dream " by Barack Obama" as reading material for our Cons. friends
bluesslinger 11/7/2012 9:46:51 AM Report

"the best is yet to come," Obama said.

In BoBo's mind that means more debt, unemployment and failed energy and foreign policies.

Nice.
Grace 11/7/2012 9:51:27 AM Report

BB Obama is as far left as Romney is far right.
The message that the country gave was the division on those lines are deep.
Maybe just maybe that message has reached the President elect. I believe that if Mr. Obama reaches out to Mr. Romney to be part of his cabinet he will begin to heal the divide.
As a good executive I would expect him to surround himself with the best and the brightest for example I see C Powell being the next Secratary of State.

Grace 11/7/2012 9:53:12 AM Report

Fly..spelled it that way just for you!
Glad you enjoyed it!
Wisenheimer 11/7/2012 9:53:25 AM Report

Americans opt to abort, politically correct and drug themselves out of existence. Cool.
flyhawk25 11/7/2012 9:56:06 AM Report

blues...thank you for reinforcing my earlier point.
You are the poster boy for Mitt's Morons.
All during this election cycle we have either read or scrolled over your bullshit.
The election is history you bottom feeding snipe.
All your name calling and worthless 'facts' were just as contrived as your acumen.
I am allowing myself a day of purging all the crap I have quietly ignored from you for months.
When the next moron pops up on here I'll deal with him.
I've waited months to write this - Bye Bye Bluesy.
Next candidate please.
learningaswego 11/7/2012 9:57:55 AM Report

Writing a book and giving a heart-warming speech are nice.

Delivering the goods, achieving real, tangible results, is entirely another matter.

Obama is good at the former, and awful - so far; at the latter.
sweetc 11/7/2012 10:02:35 AM Report

ok, the U.S. election is over. Now all you political posters can find another topic that concerns no one and no one can do anything about to flog to death for the next 10 months. After all I need something to complain about.
Grace 11/7/2012 10:03:41 AM Report

oh and fly..come on down from the mountain..I lost nothing. Like i told you before. If taking pride in an election win from another country gives you pleassue..I'm happy for you. Really.
I see the possibilities for a change in the U.S. as of last night. A house divided against itself ...can not stand.
Maybe that message will be heard...maybe not..but from where my politics stand...it is possibly their only option in order to move "forward"
1/2 the population is not satisfied with the status quo..the other says forward..same message just different words. Put those voices together..things will happen.

Grump 11/7/2012 10:06:09 AM Report

Big Brother you are right they have the Tea Bagger whackos which are not much of our problem. That said we have our own whackos that are our problem. This right/left thing has got out of hand and we have elected a number of incompetents on party lines instead of electing the most competent. That said we all and I mean all should cut the crap and start putting it to our elected officials to start doing what is right, not what a few of their faithfull expect.
Grace 11/7/2012 10:10:21 AM Report

Grump...very good point.
problem is ...how?
Wisenheimer 11/7/2012 10:18:33 AM Report

Spelly ... Yamana and Goldcorp going up due to eroding U.S. dollar. "Revenge" is a dish best served the next day.
everson 11/7/2012 10:24:24 AM Report

Grump you said the truth. Now onto what Canada needs to do to stay afloat in this mess of an economy.
Right Winger 11/7/2012 10:31:37 AM Report

Markets are taking a beating today. That couldn't have anything to do with yesterday could it?
Grump 11/7/2012 10:47:40 AM Report

Grace I would say collectively we get on our MP and MPP when the gov't is doing something we don't agree with. Sadly this only work if many are doing it together, That said if gov'ts are not going to do it on their own, then it sure as hell time we squacked like seagulls. (not ducks} lol
mallet 11/7/2012 10:51:41 AM Report

Wisenheimer...

Want to speculate on how long it will be before the U S wants to up it's borrowing from the present 16 trillion to say possibly 20 trillion?? and give an idea as to what that will do their dollar and then ours???
Grump 11/7/2012 10:52:07 AM Report

Everson hard to stay afloat when we have a big spending neo-con at the helm playing big shot on the world stage while cutting back on the little people at home. Remind me again about the strong hand on the economy again will you fellows?
cathyh 11/7/2012 10:53:23 AM Report

Grump: What is you opinion on the divestment of the ONTC by the provincial gov't?
everson 11/7/2012 11:11:19 AM Report

74.8 percent of the people can collect EI. I guess when you are the other 25.2% you should get a rebate.
Grace 11/7/2012 11:21:25 AM Report

Grump..I remembered reading this a while back. http://www.sootoday.com/content/news/details.asp?c=49173
Could be a good place to start!
flyhawk25 11/7/2012 11:31:25 AM Report

I just erased a response from a while ago.
I hope that it's my nature to think before I post.
No one is more happy that this election is over than I am.
Frankly I don't know how either candidate endured that marathon.
Romney running for seven years and wading through the primaries and Obama trying to run for re-election and manage a country is an incredible feat of endurance for both.
I admired how Mr. Romney was graceful in defeat and Mr. Obama in victory.
I hope that sense of civility and collegiality continues.
I don't remember America ever being this polarized. But in four years many of we older folks will be gone and a new reality will emerge.
Right now they are facing a budget crisis at year's end that can only be solved by bipartisan cooperation.
My sense is that Paul Ryan will start campaigning again this week and Chris Christie will continue to try to guide New Jersey while deciding if he wants to be president.
I think America is ready for a moderate Republican who will offer mature steady leadership.
In the process the Tea Party should evaporate back to its rigid fundamentalist and simplistic swamp.
The passing of new marijuana laws in Colorado and Washington may be a sign of changing times.
Whatever the case I hope the evolution replaces a potential revolution.
Spellchecker 11/7/2012 11:44:00 AM Report

If you live near MacLennan Road, please keep your eye out for my grandson's missing 350 pound pig and call 705-297-3224 if you see her. She is friendly but skittish and shy. She loves to eat pumpkin. Last seen near Higway 17 Trading Post, headed for Desbarats.
learningaswego 11/7/2012 11:46:14 AM Report

Holy Crap - the stock markets are getting hammered today, and it's not even noon yet. Guess not everybody is enamoured (fooled) by fancy speeches of cool guys who hang with celebs.

For our naive lefty friends whose response would be something like..."who cares, it only affects those rich capitalist pigs..." or some equally looney reaction....

ALL pensions - even a lefty's - rely on something called growth and returns on investments of corporations - yah capitalists.
skipper dave 11/7/2012 11:50:15 AM Report

Good morning sweet soo, Way to go Flly ACknowledge the pent up anger from trying to have a reasonable discussion with a close minded stump. This is as much as I can type. First day back from twenty day stay at Sudbury hospital and the drugs and light headeness rule now. second colorectal cancer operation in as many years,!
Cashmier 11/7/2012 11:52:34 AM Report

Right Winger

Markets almost always experience instability at election times. What you are currently seeing is the effect of previous uncertainty regarding Obama's re-election. Because MOST incumbent presidents can be heavily expected to win their second term, the instability effect is usually less in those times. This wasn't a sure fire win, so there will be a greater effect. If you look at market trends, you will also see significant disruption in US markets every 8 years, in conjunction with the end of a President's final term.
flyhawk25 11/7/2012 12:00:20 PM Report

Skipper - good news indeed.
Now can Spelly and I stop praying for a while?
Be well my friend.
BIG BROTHER 11/7/2012 12:36:48 PM Report

lawgo,
Not everybody is fooled by fluctuations in the stock market, the day after an election, either.

The capitalists are hard at work shorting the crap out of the stocks, waiting for the suckers to sell. By 4 this aft., the stocks will be back to their opening prices. Make money down; make money up!!
BIG BROTHER 11/7/2012 12:41:48 PM Report

That's my reaction and I'm a looney lefty!!
T-rat 11/7/2012 12:42:29 PM Report

Best of luck Skip. My dad endured that and beat it. You can too. And every few years I get "the exam". Well worth the peace of mind.

You'r steering the right course.
Just Curious 11/7/2012 12:46:23 PM Report

Right Wing has been terribly absent today...HUMMM Wonder why that is???
Grump 11/7/2012 12:47:09 PM Report

Happy to see you back Skipper and good luck on the recovery. You will be in peak form to take your lady out in the spring.
BIG BROTHER 11/7/2012 12:47:34 PM Report

Are you Just Curious?
Grump 11/7/2012 12:49:47 PM Report

Just curious that's not a bad thing. Now if the Mitt's morons posse would join him that would be OK too.
steelworker 11/7/2012 12:53:25 PM Report

That flushing noise you hear is the US economy going down the crapper. Just wait 'til Obama increases the debt limit to 20 TRILLION dollars.
T-rat 11/7/2012 1:08:22 PM Report

Actually steelworker that flushing noise you hear is your brain going out your a--hole.
everson 11/7/2012 1:12:31 PM Report

T-rat lol

flyhawk25 11/7/2012 1:16:37 PM Report

If last night's results do no more on here than slow down the droning of the knuckle-dragging name callers it was worth risking money on a bet.
I do have empathy for rw. He consistently put forth his position with clarity.
And no - I don't think of him as one of Mitt's Morons.
He had the brass to put his money where his mouth was again.And he could just as easily have won.
I think frequent followers on here recognize who the real fools are who can be portrayed as sissy snipers.
These are the illiterate jingoistic jerks who call names, manufacture phony reality in some alternative universe, giggle and hide.
Reasoned and passionate debate is the soul of a democracy that works. Diverse opinions can lead to healthy compromises that benefit the larger group.
I'd bet that right wing and I could create a coalition that would speak to the need of everyone. It would be loud and passionate but in the end a compromise would be something that would work.
Like a good marriage it would center on common beliefs not differences and the mature realization that life is messy but works when people of good will agree to disagree and hope for a better way to peacefully work together.
If that makes me a lefty pollyanna then I am guilty.
Grace 11/7/2012 1:27:22 PM Report

Fly..well said.
Wicket 11/7/2012 1:31:33 PM Report

I wish all of the political experts on here would run for any kind of office locally. My oh my, things sure would improve in this city with all this expertise.....
steelworker 11/7/2012 1:31:35 PM Report

T-rat: at least my a-hole is a one way door unlike yours. Not that there is anything wrong with that. (smirky face)
Bad Dawg 11/7/2012 1:34:59 PM Report

America just proved once you go black you never go back........ BAHAHAHAHAHA
Grace 11/7/2012 1:35:50 PM Report

Wicket funny you say that..I sent a link at grump earlier..after reading the article I emailed my intention to get involved..I'm tired of just sitting on the side lines.
skipper dave 11/7/2012 1:36:02 PM Report

Damn Fly and the misses RW can Stats and I throw a stag?
flyhawk25 11/7/2012 1:41:23 PM Report

skipper...yikes!
He's far too ugly and I'm far too old.
But ten years ago...naw.
I'd be younger but he'd still be ugly.
Now SQ?
Hmm...
mallet 11/7/2012 1:49:12 PM Report

Flyhawk25..

I am not sure that is the way governments work, compromise is a dirty word for many. My memory takes me back to a certain british prime minister, christian name Neville, who steps off a plane waving a piece of paper, proclaiming "peace for our time" and that compromise went right out the window.. Now why do you suppose it is called the "Loyal Opposition", isn't that a bit of an oxymoron if they agree with what a government wants to do? are they not suppose to oppose government measures?. In my mind the only real democratic system is when you have a minority government when you have to compromise to stay in power, unless of course there is a way to stop the business of the government (prorogation) when the government in minority decides it does not like what the opposition does, and rather than call an election, stops the business of legislature/government. The U S has the two houses, when they align the President gets what he wants if the same party, if not he gets nothing, if they are devided between the two parties he gets very little. It is sad that the various parties put their agendas in front of the good of the people, unfortunately we do not live in Utopia, and have to put up with what we have, until such time that something better comes along...
bluesslinger 11/7/2012 1:57:03 PM Report

"knuckle-dragging name callers" how very hypocritical of you.

Why in the world are the little lefties so angry this fine morning? Their idol just got another four years in which to plot and scheme America to her knees.
You would think this would make those little lefties happy!

By the way, what the complicit lame stream media won't tell you is, 53 House members are demanding Obummer answer a few key who, where when and how Benghazi questions.

It will be interesting to watch Obummer explain away all that blood on his hands and all the lies surrounding the massacre. Watch for plenty of typical lefty bobbing and weaving, denying and deflecting from both the lefty media and WH.

This going to be fun.

Have a great day!
Wisenheimer 11/7/2012 2:12:29 PM Report

The bond and equity markets are not too enamored by Obama's win. Dow down 369 at low, TSX down 125. Before you lefty knuckleheads get too exercised, remember that money you get every month ... CPP, OAS, Company and Gov't pensions all get generated by the aforementioned. Ever heard of "whistling past the graveyard."
everson 11/7/2012 2:24:20 PM Report

The markets will be up tomorrow, God the fear-mongering and the negative attitude is the typical Canadian way.
T-rat 11/7/2012 2:50:53 PM Report

For less serious or venomous comments visit:

huffingtonpost.ca

Part way down the front page click on "Disgruntled Americans - I'm moving to Canada", which is a whole bunch of mainly funny tweets, which lead to a lot more tweets by Canadians mocking the election e.g. "I didn't know there were so many electrical colleges in the U.S."

Way funnier than Steely.
Grump 11/7/2012 2:54:04 PM Report

Blue will you and Wisen go lick your wounds in the sand box. I get it you don't like President Obama. Now both of you get this we are tired of hearing the B.S. and whining so change the channel.
shakespeare 11/7/2012 2:56:48 PM Report

What I learned by following the coverage last night in even more stark detail is the partisanship which is doing more to wreck the USA than anything else. Both contenders seem to have realized that this has to be overcome if the country can move forward.
I think that the American people see that if Obama does reach out and gets nowhere, then the Republicans are the ones who will suffer. I believe that by aligning themselves with the white older men and seeming to attack immigration and shooting mouths off about rape and abortion, they were the architects of their own fate and their base is not going to increase, especially as the Latino vote keeps increasing. It was interesting to hear that two in three Americans consider themselves conservative. Why didn't that translate into a Republican win? Partly because some moderate Republican leaning folk have been driven to be characterized as "Liberals". The classic was Limbaugh's attack on Christie. I have a feeling that Rush and crew will be tolerated less, that people like Trump will be more and more seen as the lunatic fringe, for, if they continue to keep pushing the vitriolic button they'll be distancing themselves even more from any success. People who readily espouse red neck status and find it convenient to pigeonhole anyone who has moderate views as a "lefty" will become more "relics" and "curiosities" than
part of the solution.
Those who seem to have a history of thinking that they own the facts need to accept one thing: the were wrong. The simple fact is Obama won!
Welcome back, Skipper Dave!
flyhawk25 11/7/2012 3:22:25 PM Report

Did anyone hear a gong in the wilderness just before 2:00?
Does anyone except his mother care?
Just to make sure he gets the message...hahahahahaha you illiterate moron.
No one cares about anything you think.
You have been consistently wrong and will always be wrong because you are a stupid mean-spirited little jerk.
Want to try another name on me? You don't have the jam to say it in person you weasel.
Any time. Any place. Bring back-up and your health card.
Now shut up until you get a brain, some manners or some courage.
Grump 11/7/2012 3:43:01 PM Report

Good Lord Fly well said. But on that note take care or they will be calling you a bully too, just because this dumb assed rhetoric never seems to stop and then they wonder why a fellow gets ticked off.
nanag 11/7/2012 3:51:17 PM Report

I think some folks need a hug (big squeeze)
Snobank 11/7/2012 3:52:43 PM Report

High road, Fly, back to the high road. You're arguing with a dinosaur. You know what happened to them.
bluesslinger 11/7/2012 3:53:12 PM Report

Q.
What's more pathetic (and fun) than a self important little leftie?

A.
An angry self important ilttle lefty.
steelworker 11/7/2012 4:13:31 PM Report

Two humps at the dump. Lets' get ready to rummmmmble!!! After I have my nap and a high colonic. (smiley face)
bluesslinger 11/7/2012 4:31:04 PM Report

I find it fascinating how the resident little lefties in here resort to goonish intimidation tactics to shut me down when I present an opinion that is contrary to their manifesto.

They so entertain me with their extremely childish name calling, spitting, stomping and pbhysical threats (behind a computer). Predictable.

That may have worked for ya'll in the sanbox boys, but I am unapologetic in my presentation of the truth. I sit accross tables with bigger men than youse.

Hang in there because the more the heat gets turned up on Obummer the more truth there will be to post.

Have a lovely evening!
T-rat 11/7/2012 4:34:57 PM Report

Whoa, easy there Fly. It isn't worth the effort. You're better than that. Heed the words from Shakespeare, Sno, nanag and Grump. Let it go.

Let them bury their dead (ideas) and tend to their wounded (egos). We are civilized, afterall.

You should be more concerned that millions of Republicans are threatening to move to Canada because they lost their vote and they think Obama is a 'socialist'. Ha. Wait till they get up HERE! Personally, I'm with the other half -- moving to Colorado -- where they're legalizing pot.
Grump 11/7/2012 4:50:14 PM Report

Fly that gong you heard was the truth bouncing off an empty head. Hold that it should be off empty heads. LMAO. That is one of the huge truths in life. Those that are really dumb are so dumb they don't even know it and we have a few classics here. "Sits across the table from bigger men than us" Must be looking at beer bellies across a bar room table. lol
Oldie Goldie 11/7/2012 4:50:47 PM Report

Inj my opinion Romney made 3 big gaffes in his Campaign.

1. He got many women mad at him and they showed it in their ballots.

1. He said he would allow many big businesses to go bankrupt instead of trying to help them.

3. He said he would immediately get rid of Obama Care---leaving 40,000,000 Americans to fend for themselves trying to survive any major Health problem.
His plan would help the Insurance Companies, the Hospitals and the Doctors to continue to make huge profits at the expense of those who could not get Insurance and unable to find help when they need it.

There may have been more mistakes but these 3 are front and centre.

I also note that the only Tea Party Candidate in the running was defeated at the Polls.

At least Romney does not have to reward people like the Tea Party Members like he would have if he had won.

It was also very strange the Romney was reported to have had only used one speech after the Election---a winning one--and he had to quickly get his Speech writers to make up one for losing.
Oldie Goldie 11/7/2012 4:53:12 PM Report

In my opinion Romney made 3 big gaffes in his Campaign.

1. He got many women mad at him and they showed it in their ballots.

1. He said he would allow many big businesses to go bankrupt instead of trying to help them.

3. He said he would immediately get rid of Obama Care---leaving 40,000,000 Americans to fend for themselves trying to survive any major Health problem.
His plan would help the Insurance Companies, the Hospitals and the Doctors to continue to make huge profits at the expense of those who could not get Insurance and unable to find help when they need it.

There may have been more mistakes but these 3 are front and centre.

I also note that the only Tea Party Candidate in the running was defeated at the Polls.

At least Romney does not have to reward people like the Tea Party Members like he would have if he had won.

It was also very strange the Romney was reported to have had only used one speech after the Election---a winning one--and he had to quickly get his Speech writers to make up one for losing.
Oldie Goldie 11/7/2012 4:57:09 PM Report

Sorry for the double post but I looked for my post after I sent it in and did not see it for a few minutes so I thought I made a mistake so I sent it again.
steelworker 11/7/2012 5:02:44 PM Report

Four more years of golf and parties while America slides into a depression.
All Is Well 11/7/2012 5:10:35 PM Report

Republicans will have to start asking questions within their own party. Why do we have to act mean on every policy topic? Why do we still hold the belief that the "Southern strategy" will carry us to the presidency? Why are we being held hostage by the "tea-baggers" and how can their influence be marginalized? Why are our policies being rejected by the majority? Why is "compromise" such a dirty word within the party? Why was 98% of our advertising classified as negative ads? How can we change our base to better reflect "America"? Why did we lose every voter category except white males over 45 years old and people 65 and over? The answer to these questions will probably be found before Florida finishes counting the vote.
Grace 11/7/2012 5:11:32 PM Report

Jim Flaherty has a warning..http://ca.finance.yahoo.com/news/flaherty-says-u-fiscal-cliff-likely-push-canada-183500258.html
All Is Well 11/7/2012 5:22:42 PM Report

Grace, a lot of pressure will be placed on Congress to come to a deal. Best idea I have read, so far, is to get a willingness to allow the rates to remain as they are, but create a new category which would see the rate go back to the "pre-Bush" years but only for people making $1 million or more of income.
Spellchecker 11/7/2012 5:44:00 PM Report

Pig alert is cancelled. She has returned home.
Oldie Goldie 11/7/2012 6:01:25 PM Report

One Political Historian was asked about the Republican Majority in the House of Representatives and their stonewalling of anything the Democrats want to do.

He replied that the American people are fed up with all the party-line voting by both sides and he said that if the Republicans don't start co-operating with Obama in the House then they, too, will be turfed at the next House members election in 2 years.

Voting only the Party line is rampant in Canada too and in the not too distant future changes will come at the Ballot Boxes if it continues.
flyhawk25 11/7/2012 6:27:15 PM Report

Whew...I had a chance to recharge into the real world or what passes for it for me.
What I learned from this election and honestly from being on the DNP e-mail list was that I noticed a sense of panic from the Obama camp in the early summer.
But as the election evolved I was amazed at the new strategy put together by their team.
To simplify it they embraced the new social media and targeted specific areas in specific new ways.
All the old ways that I grew up with were downplayed and Obama and his group embraced electronic media in a revolutionary way.
The GOP did not.
In the sixties I was a block from a JFK parade on Street St. in Chicago and never bothered to watch.
The 'new way' is less about face-to-face physical contact than feeling engaged when the candidate tweets or e-mails you even if you know it's a mass message on a computer over the president's letterhead and signed 'Barack'.
Then when you know someone who gets a personal phone call from the POTUS you are impressed no matter how skeptical you may have been.
The times are indeed changing.
When a conservative genius like George Will miss his prediction by a mile at his and my age it's time to rethink things.
The social media poli-sci whiz kids with the Democrats simply kicked the old GOP machine in the ass.
The young guy with two young kids ran over the grandfather as a result.
statusquo 11/7/2012 7:18:04 PM Report

first things first...

Hang in there Skipper and if you have any narcotics left....gimme a ring...as the Ramones said "I wanna be sedated".

Second things second...bluesslinger, go and deep-throat a large sock ! Nobody except your gerbil is taking you seriously.

Thirdly, steelworker you are an idiot, but keep posting...it makes me feel better.

Now then, the election is over and if anybody thought American politics would be shunned in the View Room for a while they are sorely mistaken.

There is much more to come. U.S politics is far too entertaining to ignore.
Obama did not win as much as the G.O.P lost. If the Republicans don't start distancing themselves from the teabaggers and the Christian Right they will become extinct!
Look at the roster of candidates for the leadership. Santourm, Bachman, Perry and lets not forget the ueber-douche Cain, and for a split second it looked like Donald Trump was considered. A veritable collection of scum!
Romney was the only viable choice and truth be told I think he would not have made a bad President. He would have been flexible enough to work with Congress. Unlike his Republican opponents he is very intelligent, but the rhetoric he had to fake to appeal to the ultra right fringes was his Achille's Heel and ultimate downfall.
As long as the G.O.P is in any way shape or form associated or perceived to be associated with FOX News, Limbaugh, Hannity, O'Reilly et al it will forever lose to the Democrats.
The economy could not have been fixed in four years. Any reasonable person would admit to that.
To say that the Republicans did not impede and hinder any attempt by Obama to move things forward is simply a sign of insanity.
Let's hope that in his last four years , with nothing to lose, Obama will grow some balls and realize that compromise is too big a word for Republicans to understand and he will ram his plans through.
He was naive into believing the Republicans were open to work with him.
Now he knows.
On a micro cosmos the mentality of the ueber right is witnessed here day in and day out! You'd have more luck having a meaningful discussion with a heap of used tires.









flyhawk25 11/7/2012 7:46:10 PM Report

SQ...ahh sanity. Finally.
Unfortunately you actually have to spend the day working for a living.
I have the dumb luck circumstance of a very nice pension.
You probably fit the profile of a hardworking small business owner who is the foundation of this great society.
Thankfully you also have the brains and wisdom to recognize bullshit before you step in it and the gift of articulating it.
On the darker side we read these posts from other posters who seem to have the time and means to sit and snipe but never reveal a thing about themselves.
You are one of a too small group of thoughtful articulate people.Further reason to hang out with almost anyone who may or may not have a drawer full of diplomas..
Plus you are funny.
And have really nice legs.
Bobby Nerves 11/7/2012 7:51:02 PM Report

Hi Skipper! For few days I was thinking about you and couldn't see your messages, but didn't ask.

Take it easy and let the doctors and the meds do the work... I had four surgeries in total and three of them in 14 days, but I'm still kicking around.

I'm wondering if we can visit you or pick you up for a coffee or lunch.

If you are available and wish to go out, I was planning to meet Grump and maybe Mallet.

I'll introduce them to a new booming investment... buy as many right wingers as you can, they're in extinction but they are still in demand... 53% of americans would like to have one... we should profit on that. Buy a right winger for her/his real value and sale it the next day for the value they believe they have.

Surely we can bring the cabbage home every day!

Well, let us know and we will keep an extra chair for you.
Bobby Nerves 11/7/2012 7:51:02 PM Report

Hi Skipper! For few days I was thinking about you and couldn't see your messages, but didn't ask.

Take it easy and let the doctors and the meds do the work... I had four surgeries in total and three of them in 14 days, but I'm still kicking around.

I'm wondering if we can visit you or pick you up for a coffee or lunch.

If you are available and wish to go out, I was planning to meet Grump and maybe Mallet.

I'll introduce them to a new booming investment... buy as many right wingers as you can, they're in extinction but they are still in demand... 53% of americans would like to have one... we should profit on that. Buy a right winger for her/his real value and sale it the next day for the value they believe they have.

Surely we can bring the cabbage home every day!

Well, let us know and we will keep an extra chair for you.
Bobby Nerves 11/7/2012 7:52:22 PM Report

Sorry about the double double.
statusquo 11/7/2012 7:57:24 PM Report

Fly,

Sanity is very subjective.
Thanks for the compliment on my legs. I've got myself a No-No, a depilatory "system" that is gentle on the skin and attacks the hair-root deep into the epidermis. And if you're wondering where rw is hiding lately ..well...let me tell you that he is feeling rather down....he has been cuddling with me on the couch and we are watching re runs of Ren and Stimpy on Netflix.
He is mumbling incoherently about "landslides" and such....I keep him hydrated with fair trade green tea and tickle his back, gently...cautiously.
We're both naked if that's of any importance.
All Is Well 11/7/2012 7:57:39 PM Report

Stats, the president doesn't have the authority to ram anything through. The House of Representatives controls all taxation, as well as, being able to vote down anything brought from the President or the Senate. This is part of Checks and Balances. What the US requires is compromise.
flyhawk25 11/7/2012 8:05:36 PM Report

Peachy.
That answers today's #1 burning question.
Please do me a favor. Gently pull his wallet out of his pants and take a hundred bucks.
Take it to the Soup Kitchen and get him a tax receipt.
I hope you and him and Darlene have a wonderful star-crossed evening.
Be gentle.
That boy is hurting.
shakespeare 11/7/2012 8:06:50 PM Report

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/us-election/9661499/US-election-2012-A-good-day-for-David-Cameron-but-a-rout-for-the-Tory-Rights-vision.html

Interesting that the British Tories would be supporting the U.S. Socialists. Perhaps it tells people how there are no real Democrats in the U.S. or no real Conservatives in the U.K.
I think we may see a huge diminishing of the Bible vote in future elections Conservative fundamentalists may become also obsolete (except in enclaves like St. Joe. Island)
shakespeare 11/7/2012 8:14:44 PM Report

Don't go so easy on him Status or Fly. He has made an absolute swaggering ass of himself, which he compounded by trumpeting away even on election day, when most sensible people might just tone it down a little. rw has been systematically wrong on almost every issue of American politics. Looking to the future, I think one has to figure out which badge one is wearing: "Part of the Problem" or "Part of the Solution" . I am certainly not gloating over Romney's loss, but hope that both sides come together to work on solutions
everson 11/7/2012 8:20:40 PM Report

Apparently in Manhatten today,a fox like creature or maybe a weasel with a staw like tuppee has been running around looking for Obamas birth certificate. I am guessing the Hero of The Right Wing Mob that this is Trump.
statusquo 11/7/2012 8:23:33 PM Report

Fly,

Don't worry about your hundred bucks. rw is a man of his word! I can't talk to him right now, he is taking notes on Stimpy's monologue on litter box etiquette.

Shakes,

The St Joe's enclave is rather miffed as of late. They don't take to logic too kindly. Note the absence of biblical verses...now he prefers Alexis de Tocqueville.
They are used to preaching in Sunday School to 12 year olds. Them gaffers swallow almost anything... (smirky, disgusted face)
Adults with a discerning mind they don't take kindly to.
But I am glad they found the pig. Maybe Ace of Bass prayed to the Virgin Mary and God came to the rescue....
It's possible.
shakespeare 11/7/2012 8:27:29 PM Report

Maybe Blackie helped in the round up!
skipper dave 11/7/2012 8:45:52 PM Report

Selly shame on you the pig has returned. Apologize to you wife or face my wrath!
flyhawk25 11/7/2012 8:55:47 PM Report

In the afterglow of the vote, as it were, there is a decided absence of neo-con gasbags on here.
One can only hope that they are going south to join the Trumpster in the Next Revolution.
Apparently he is discounting hotel rates for hair stylists.
A guy has to look good on Fox News.
The event begins with a scavenger hunt for President Obama's birth certificate and ends up with a revival meeting at the First Reinvent Yourself Church of the Real Blue-eyed Jesus.
Can I have an Amen on that?
All Is Well 11/7/2012 9:23:51 PM Report

After seeing his tweets about the election results, Trump will surely be a non-entity in the race for the Republican nomination. Just think, the race for the nominations, both parties this time, has already started. It's enough to give me a nauseous feeling.
Wisenheimer 11/7/2012 9:24:45 PM Report

Politics inexorably moves to the left. It
unfortunately is the path of least resistance.
Amen.
flyhawk25 11/7/2012 9:32:57 PM Report

Wisen...and once again you are wrong.
Go back to the coloring book.
Amen.
statusquo 11/7/2012 9:35:08 PM Report

Fly,

Licking their wounds as it were. They've prognosticated an unlikely outcome with biased polls, googled the daylights out of the internet, predicted a "landslide" victory and lambasted a sitting President that unlike his predecessor, who exacerbated the deficit, started two unpopular wars, lied about the reasons to invade and destabilized the Middle East and stood by when the financial institutions raped the middle class , is articulate, intelligent, moderate and made every attempt to find a compromise.
Now they hide and re group, thinking...no...googling every and all right wing nut case internet site to build another case.
I am currently watching Jack Welch being interviewed by supreme douche bag Piers Morgan....this is a guy (Welch) who insinuated that the September unemployment numbers were cooked. You can't get any more disingenuous than that. Now he is endorsing the president....I think I am going to vomit!


statusquo 11/7/2012 9:42:23 PM Report

Hey Wisen,

I will remind you again when to move your clock an hour ahead in order for the snow to melt more quickly.

Remember that one ?

(smiley face)

Voiceofreason 11/7/2012 9:44:04 PM Report

Stats, the president does not make a decision on his own. Congress has to pass it. I.e. George Bush did not declare. The facts convinced those who were making the decision that there was ample reason to declare war on Iraq. Tunnel vision....as it were.
statusquo 11/7/2012 9:54:36 PM Report

Voice,

true enough...but he sure pushed for it did he not?
Non existent WMD's and such....Iraq and the fabrication with 9/11.
The results we have now is a power vacuum with an emboldened Iran.
Syria is in shambles and highly volatile. Afghanistan a lost cause.
Thank you George W. Bush or should I say the Cheney administration?
Just Curious 11/8/2012 12:14:39 AM Report

Welcome back ,skipper,keep hanging in there.Was away today and didn't see your posts until now.Have to go for another one,maybe two myself so I hope my luck is as good as yours..Take good care of yourself,sincerely....
debo 11/8/2012 12:25:22 AM Report

Jon Stewart ... killin' it tonight. FOX ... aka Bullsh#t Mountain getting "eroded". :)
Wisenheimer 11/8/2012 9:11:33 AM Report

Yes Stats .. I remember you had no idea of what you were talking about .. perhaps you have figured it out since. Congratulations.
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