jean-paul 10/4/2012 2:54:34 AM ReportHi quack quack quack quack quack and another quack.
steelworker 10/4/2012 4:45:47 AM ReportIt would appear that Obama lost big time in the debate last night. A majority of the newsites are reporting that Honey-Bo-Bo was a flop.
Retreaded 10/4/2012 7:03:20 AM ReportFOX news was just TOO much last night. If there ever was a doubt as to whom they support you now know.
Grace 10/4/2012 7:21:37 AM ReportWas funny to watch the CNN gang just absolutley stunned...James Carville flat out was disapointed with the ONE and looked as he actually admired what Romney had just done.
Quite often Obama looked downward at his notes as Romney pounced on the president's record. At one point, the Democrat quibbled with debate moderator Jim Lehrer who tried to cut him off for going over his allotted time.
Advisers to both Romney and Obama predictably said their man emerged victorious. Obama adviser David Plouffe told reporters in the spin room that Romney appeared "testy" at times.
Yet CNN pundents labled Obama as listless..angry and didn't want to be there.
theprotector 10/4/2012 7:36:12 AM Reportspelly are you that blind or just stupid?
Those passages lead to women being property for men to abuse, buy sell trade. Lets face it the book you worship is an evil blueprint for the destruction of mankind. It was created to allow the overseers to continue to surpress the weak and destroy the people that did not beleive in the same way and same things. You are nothing more than a blind memeber of a cruel cult!
Grace 10/4/2012 7:40:17 AM ReportGoodmorning Protector!
statusquo 10/4/2012 8:03:39 AM ReportObama looked tired indeed and I have to say that Romney almost managed to sell me a bottle of snake oil.
I wonder how many people caught on how slippery Romney's maneuver was when he weaseled himself out of explaining why his Massachusetts health care plan is in essence, the same that Obama is pushing through?
If we believe the "experts" this race is far from over and with the usually poor voter turnout in the U.S anything can happen.
And that is my opinion of U.S politics for the day folks....I wouldn't want to be berated by "Big Bad Bob" in his usual condescending, pompous manner from his Chateau in France.
(smiley face to BBB and have another gulp of Chateau de Crotte on me)
right wing 10/4/2012 8:39:51 AM ReportThe thrill is gone
The thrill is gone away
The thrill is gone baby
The thrill is gone away......
I watched the debates on several channels but not Fox.
Obama's "thrill up my leg" media smelled blood just like I stated they would and I did not want to miss them choking on the words they had to say.
Romney dominated the debate.
A CNN poll taken Wednesday night.
"The poll, conducted following the debate in Denver, showed that 67% of debate watchers believed that Romney won the showdown, while only 25% said Obama was the winner.
According to CNN Polling Director Keating Holland, "No presidential candidate has topped 60% in that question (who won the debate) since it was first asked in 1984."
Some polls had Obama placed even lower, at 18%.
Of course now we will hear from our lefties, whom I might add are noticeably sparse this morning, (kool-aid hang over ya know), how this all means nothing.
Flyhawk bailed on his contender yesterday, along with a couple of others, as he knew Obama would get an ass kicking.
It's the lefty way, turn, run and statements like "Why bother?","
"I don't like anything for an hour and a half."
Hahahahaha.....suddenly it's not worth it, listening to "The Chosen One."
In my opinion flyhawk you lost credibility with your post of yesterday.
Statusquo, Romney was not selling snake oil, he was simply telling it like it is and despite Obama's smirks, head shaking and Cheshire smile, the majority of the U.S. folks got it.
....and I don't give a crap whether BBB, likes this topic or not.
I can't wait for the Biden-Ryan debate...now that will be pure entertainment.
learningaswego 10/4/2012 8:42:24 AM ReportIf there is such a thing as a "winner" in political debates,
Romney thoroughly and unequivocally hammered the Hope and Change guy last night.
learningaswego 10/4/2012 8:50:17 AM ReportFor someone who has been touted as such a great speaker, Obie Hope and Changey was a complete DUD last night.
Maybe when Obie doesn't have a teleprompter to read an "inspirational" speech that somebody else had written for him, he's not such a shining star.
In all honesty, I got the impression last night that Obie doesn't even want the job anymore. Maybe he just wants to hang with his rap star buds, do the talk show circuit, and just be "cool".
He can handle that stuff.
Retreaded 10/4/2012 8:50:22 AM ReportSometimes YOUR political crook wins and sometimes he/she does not. I think we would be fooling ourselves if we think any party is going to produce a "saviour" FOR the people. Power...greed....will always be in the forefront.
skipper dave 10/4/2012 8:50:42 AM Reportyep Mitt clearly won over Obama. Now we have a horse race!
Grace 10/4/2012 9:01:34 AM ReportRW...I was thinking more like...
Shot down in flammes...
Shot down in flames ...
Ain't it a shame ..To be shot down in flames
asIseeit 10/4/2012 9:05:17 AM ReportGrace please the opinion polls still have Obama ahead. A debate does not make a President, Romney is not what people need, a wife that doesn't know what the middle class is about. 2 cadillacs is what she is claimed to fame. Shame on her.
learningaswego 10/4/2012 9:05:55 AM ReportIf lastnight's debate were a football game, the score would have been something like:
Romney 42
Obama 3
right wing 10/4/2012 9:14:15 AM ReportasIseeit
...oh you mean as opposed to Michelle, my bell....the one who goes on vacations in her own jet, complete with an entourage which includes everybody and rents entire floors at expensive resorts.
Yes those nasty glittery Caddy's....
Spellchecker 10/4/2012 9:18:49 AM ReportIf there is anyone in Sootodayland who has a Brother printer that uses LC41 cartridges, we have one black and one coloured never out of the boxes that Mrs. Spellchecker would be pleased to deliver free of charge to someone the next time she is in the Soo. If you have that kind of printer please let us know.
Right Winger 10/4/2012 9:20:50 AM ReportExcuse me, but where is flyhawk?
asIseeit 10/4/2012 9:21:49 AM ReportNo I am not talking about Mrs. Obama, I am talking about Roms wifey who has stated that women must have their own destiny. Sure easy said when you don't work and are priveledged with a maid and servants. She knows nothing of how women struggle because they are the 47%. I don't see Mrs Harper with such a snooty attitude. Mrs. Harper is respected.
right wing 10/4/2012 9:25:09 AM ReportasIseeit
"Grace please the opinion polls still have Obama ahead"
Which "opinion polls" are you reading?
Must be the polls from Tuesday.
It certainly is not the opinion polls on who won the debate, no new polls have come out as of yet since the debate....could you enlighten us.
right wing 10/4/2012 9:29:03 AM ReportRight Winger
LOL...he is sitting in front of his computer staring at the screen, hands frozen mid-air above his keyboard, brain freeze on, eyes blinking in disbelief.
Mr Teflon will have one of his "it don't mean nothing" posts soon enough.
Spellchecker 10/4/2012 9:34:31 AM ReportTheprotector, it beats me how Biblical passages instructing husbands to love their wives can be interpreted as abuse. You certainly live in a different world than I.
right wing 10/4/2012 9:47:22 AM ReportSpellchecker
Remember the kid that would knock the ice cream cone out of anther kids hand because he didn't have one.
Some of them eventually figured out how they could have one of their own too, stopped being a bully and grew up...others became "theprotector".
asIseeit 10/4/2012 9:50:04 AM ReportSpellchecker in India and elsewhere they love their wives so much that if they don't produce a son they are burned or ousted out of the family. In some African countries old men love their 5 13 year old wives so much they need more. In the domestic violence venue more women are killed by their signifigant other more times than I can count. We humans are not monogamous.
right wing 10/4/2012 9:52:23 AM ReportasIseeit 10/4/2012 9:21:49 AM Report
No I am not talking about Mrs. Obama, I am talking about Roms wifey who has stated that women must have their own destiny. Sure easy said when you don't work and are priveledged with a maid and servants. She knows nothing of how women struggle because they are the 47%. I don't see Mrs Harper with such a snooty attitude. Mrs. Harper is respected.
So based on that logic a cancer specialist, Doctor, has to have suffered from cancer to understand, have empathy for, and treat his patients.
right wing 10/4/2012 9:54:41 AM ReportasIseeit
...a tad early to be smokin' the ganja ain't it?
Grace 10/4/2012 9:56:43 AM Report@asIseeit
You must have been out with shakey last night!
All it takes is a spark to start the fire...last night Mitt kicked it!
Don't be sad.
Right Winger 10/4/2012 10:00:45 AM Reportasiseeit,
Are you kidding me right now. Every dem backed off that statement when one of their own high ranking members said it. Were you in the Romeney household to watch her eat her bon bons and watch her stories? Talk about masoginistic.
flyhawk25 10/4/2012 10:30:37 AM ReportIt went as I thought it would last night in spite of what right wing thinks.
The neo-con reaction was as I predicted on here.
I did not watch any of it and actually have been reading reports and reactions all morning.
When left wing pundits like Carville and Maher say that Obama was disappointing it's time for Mr. Obama to regroup.
Assuming that Biden will get steamrolled by Ryan the president has two more kicks to explain his record.
Realistically sometimes the conservatives get power - witness Harper and Harris.
I don't agree with it but so what.
If the local so called experts on here want to keep the myth about Mrs. Obama's trips circulating I can't do a brain transplant electronically.
Of course none of it is true just as her husband's golfing days are baloney.
So keep quoting Rush and Hannity and CNN/Fox 'polls'.
Perception is everything and reason and logic don't work on the acolytes of Tea Party types.
One down and two to go.
right wing 10/4/2012 10:45:33 AM Reportflyhawk25
Ha!
Nice try with the dismissive attitude.
You sound just like a teacher....
...and those Michelle trips, yep all made up....
Like this one that was reported on various news sources....
"On February 18, 2012, First Lady Michelle Obama and her daughters arrived in Aspen, Colorado for a 'private family' ski trip to celebrate Presidents' Day Weekend. Now, records obtained by Judicial Watch, a public interest group that investigates and fights corruption, shows the trip cost taxpayers at least $83,000.
The highlight of the records are the following:
The total cost for the Aspen ski vacation was at least $83,182.99.
The bill for the U.S. Secret Service, including accommodations at the Fasching Haus deluxe condominium and the Inn at Aspen, was $48,950.38.
The cost for the flight, per official DOD published hourly rates, was $22,583.70. Food and miscellaneous on-flight items cost $235.44. The cost for rental cars totaled $6,442.23."
...but that Mrs. Romney, she owns some Cadillacs, show off.
learningaswego 10/4/2012 10:45:46 AM ReportI think the VP debate will be even more lop-sided.
Biden is about as inspiring, convincingand compelling as watching off-white paint dry.
Unless he commits some kind of unexpected gaffe, Ryan could easily improve the Republicans' chances in the debate with Biden.
learningaswego 10/4/2012 10:50:37 AM ReportWithout the filter of the cheerleading, left-wing media, Obama showed last night what he is really made of - or not.
He is a lightweight, mainly celebrity; way, way out of his league for what America needs in the near future.
All Is Well 10/4/2012 10:52:36 AM ReportOh yes. Let's mimic the bobbing heads and spin doctors into believing the whole campaign came out of this. Everything said after the debate was already thought out and prepared for prior to the debate. We know that they both talked in grandiose terms. The Republicans, who really have not come forward with any numbers, required that strategy. Tax cuts and increased spending to defense(tied to 4% of the US GDP) while at the same time sticking it to people reliant on government spending, required deflection which Romney attempted to do. Obama, on the other hand, had to be presidential, while at the same time deflect weaknesses in his budget and not get argumentative on any one aspect. He required giving hope to the unemployed, knowing, full well, that Congress holds all the cards. Tough act to do. With no firms numbers for the Republican policies, as to where all the money will come from and what cuts to what programs, it was difficult to pin them down on a variety of issues.
Therefore, he also had to talk in terms of the big picture. That was the flaw that I saw in watching last night's debate
right wing 10/4/2012 10:54:06 AM ReportMichael Moore's tweet from last night on the presidential debate.
Michael Moore: "Ok, here's my optimistic tweet: Romney didn't convince a single Obama voter to change their vote. But O needed to fire up the base. Not done."
Hahahahaha....who would have thought that Michael Moore would get what Mitt meant about the 47%....NO SH*T Mikey, Romney was not trying for the hard core Obama voters....they're way to entitled.
Spellchecker 10/4/2012 10:56:38 AM ReportAsIseeit, what do the atrocities of which you speak have to do with an injunction to love your wife?
right wing 10/4/2012 10:57:49 AM ReportAll Is Well
If that's the only "flaw" you saw with Obama's debating skills then try watching the T.V. with it turned on....
theprotector 10/4/2012 11:35:08 AM Reportright wing I am not being a bully - just dont speak that about the bible or if you do then prepare to have it challenged and critized.
bluesslinger 10/4/2012 11:37:52 AM ReportTHIS is what happens when Bobo's handlers turn him out without a teleprompter and without a willing lefty MSM liying, deflecting and non reporting. The media didn't have a chance to propagandize because it was live TV in real time - the TRUTH for all to see.
The truth exposed Bobo as an empty suit with no real substance without his props, smoke and mirrors and spin doctors pumping up his "cool".
Romney looked Obama square in the eye and stated his case, while Obama looked down, beaten and pitiful. Bobo very rarely even looked at Romney.
To make matters worse Michelle probably laid another beating on him back at the hotel - boy did she look pissed!
The VP debate is gonna be fun...
bluesslinger 10/4/2012 11:44:46 AM Reporthttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mtkw8stAlrM
Awesome. Now Al Gore is blaming the thin air for Bobo losing the debate!
bluesslinger 10/4/2012 11:50:05 AM Report...and so it begins...
Networks, AP cancel exit polls in 19 states
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-fix/wp/2012/10/04/networks-ap-cancel-exit-polls-in-19-states/
asIseeit 10/4/2012 12:13:24 PM ReportBlues really well according to an NPR audience he laid low for the next debate. Remember to win anything be savy and less yappy. Romnut won't appeal to the middleclass. He has no idea of the middleclass. Obamy leads in Ohio no Republican won when they did not win Ohio. None. Facts are facts
Grace 10/4/2012 12:24:43 PM Report@asiseeit
It's a lovely fall day...go get some fresh air..
asIseeit 10/4/2012 12:29:27 PM ReportWhy do you not get some fresh Good Lord knows we need some hot air outside. Wow such negative remark. What gives?
asIseeit 10/4/2012 12:30:43 PM ReportAs I see it you cannot converse with out the nasty right Grace?
asIseeit 10/4/2012 12:37:34 PM ReportAnyway to more important news for WE Canadians I am glad that PM Harper is reeming into XL foods and that they may be shut down for good.
If they cannot comply and show their food safety documents they cannot be a trusted source for our food. This company hires so-called part time foreign workers who will toe the line to keep their measly wages at the expense of having workers who understand that if the product is tainted they ain't going to have a job. XL was harrassing whistleblowers most of whom where full time Canadian workers. Thanks to them no more hamburger on my table.
Grace 10/4/2012 1:02:29 PM Reportasiseeit..me nasty???
You got all that from something as simple as go out and enjoy the day?
Take it what ever way you'd like!
bluesslinger 10/4/2012 1:16:12 PM Reporteversons, just so you know, the 411 you recieve from the mothership is much more reliable and un biased than any NPR polling data.
Just make sure the rabbit ears on your metal colander hat are screwd on tight to gaurd against any UHF interference and don't forget to cinch 'er up!
djjazz09 10/4/2012 1:19:17 PM ReportWhat a world we live in where everything revolves around the United States. If you are so into american politics then move there and get involved.
I for one am 100% Canadian born and raised.
All Is Well 10/4/2012 2:06:16 PM ReportThanks for the comment RW. But once again you resort to the fall-back Reforma-con mantra of attacks. Let's forget about Republican stonewalling on almost all pieces of legislation, paying for two wars on credit, financing the Bush tax cuts on credit, and the financial fallout of the toxic housing mess, creating the huge debt in the first place. Since Congress controls anything that deals with taxes, how can Romney say Obama will raise taxes or that Obama is cutting defense? Considering that Americans, as a whole, are way more conservative in thinking, it is surprising that Obama was carrying a lead at all, going into the debates, though I don't put much stock in polling numbers. Never have and never will. I will stand by my original comments and leave the insults and character assassinations to the Neo-Con/Reforma-Con people.
Grace 10/4/2012 2:09:30 PM ReportOkay. Canadian politics.
Local Provincial or Federal?
Dealers choice!
All Is Well 10/4/2012 2:20:16 PM Reportdjjazz, we need to know which president is going to screw Canada next. If you want something Canadian, why isn't the pipeline heading east and why is Canada not building a refinery here? Why is information the greatest fear of this government? They don't want information that may go against their ideology and they don't want to release information so that Canadians can make up their own minds, as to what this government is doing.
tbbs 10/4/2012 3:11:50 PM Reporti don't care about politics, BLAH.....i'll tell you what's got me twisted today, why would a brand new store not have wheel chair access on it's doors?! i love country style coffee, but i took my hubby in there for the 1st time today, possibly the last, cuz, they don't have automatic doors!!and pushing a wheel chair through an entrance without such help is a major prblm.......get with it ppl, why are some stores still ignoring accesability laws, or just plain ignoring a whole segment of society that shops and helps pay their wages?! It just makes me so tired.........
Wheels17 10/4/2012 3:26:22 PM Reporttbbs, are you serious? That is horrible you and your husband had to go through that ordeal. I would definitely file a complaint against Country Style because they should be wheelchair accessible since they are a new location. I don't know how they can even get away with it in this day and age.
Snobank 10/4/2012 3:36:47 PM Reporttbbs, your point is important. Don`t give up the fight.
JerryLundegard 10/4/2012 3:44:52 PM ReportDo you people even realize that these guys have tiny speakers in their ears, saying what their advisors are telling them to say?
Oh right! That only happens in the movies, and science-fiction publications...
cathyh 10/4/2012 3:48:56 PM ReportI think they "get away with it" because it is not a new building. I don't think existing buildings have to conform to the accessibility bylaws. It is a shame because I don't expect that you and your hubby will be return customers. It was very shortsighted on their part.
Retreaded 10/4/2012 4:00:43 PM ReportAs a gesture of good will ONE WOULD THINK country style would want to MAKE SURE they thought of those in wheelchairs. Dissapointing in this day and age.
bluesslinger 10/4/2012 4:12:11 PM ReportExisting buildings do have to conform to the accessibility law, but deadline is is a year or two away.
AND the tiny speakers in Obama's ears must not have been working or his advisors were drunk.
BIG BROTHER 10/4/2012 4:15:39 PM ReportNo question...Romney out-slickered Obama and for what it's worth, he won the debate.
We've all watched Obama for long enough to know, he is much better than he showed. He left out many interesting facts (potentially damaging anecdotes), seemingly on purpose.
'All sizzle but no steak' came to mind, as I watched Romney.
Stay tuned...
learningaswego 10/4/2012 4:20:19 PM ReportOMG, Obie Hope and Changey wrote the book on how to be "all sizzle and no steak".
Grace 10/4/2012 4:39:48 PM ReportLearning...give it up. If the live butt kicking wasn't proof enough for them that the One is really number 2 then no matter what you point out will ever sway their point of view.
To quote Sheldon Cooper "There's an economic concept known as a positional good in which an object is only valued by the possessor because it's not possessed by others. The term was coined in 1976 by economist Fred Hirsch to replace the more colloquial, but less precise "neener-neener".
cathyh 10/4/2012 4:41:00 PM ReportThere are quite a few restaurants that have opened in the city lately after renovating and they do not have wheelchair access. I can name 3 right off that do not have the proper access. Why would they not put the wheelchair access if down the road they are going to have to? That doesn't make sense to me.
Grump 10/4/2012 4:45:32 PM ReportIt's quite interesting to read all the expert Canadian opinions both right and left. I had a chance to speak to an older affluent looking American this morning at the hotel who said he shut it off after 20 minutes because he was disgusted with both. Kind of a different take don't you think?
skipper dave 10/4/2012 5:03:50 PM ReportDebate theory - I'm so cynical that I am of the opinion that O'Bama (Who was born in Ireland) took a dive and their both playing to the gate? Right down to the wire it's been pre-scripted and just like the moon landing is controlled by the CIA!
Grace 10/4/2012 5:09:49 PM ReportGrump..one of those hmm? Apathetic.
Wonder what the numbers in the U.S. are for votes cast compared to those eligible to vote.
Did he give any indication whether he was going to vote or has he given up and decided not too?
BIG BROTHER 10/4/2012 5:56:14 PM ReportGrump,
Older, stout (my description), affluent Americans generally belong to the Republican demographic. (ie: rw)
For the most part, they hate Democrats, no matter what. But, a black one puts them right over the edge. They realise slavery was wrong, but not for the 'right' reasons. They simply didn't like the competition of free labour in the Southern labour force.
The Tea Party, which has drawn the whole right wing further to the right, are not appealing to moderate Republicans, but the Mitt Romney's of the world are pandering to them, mostly to appease them (they are a powerful lobby). But also, their votes are necessary to win.
The gentleman you are referring to is likely tired of the whole scene because of those reasons...no one left to vote for.
Bobby Nerves 10/4/2012 7:18:55 PM ReportGrump, I did the same. I'd watched the first two arguments and obviously, both of them are lying.
Two thinks that I noticed, though, Romney voice, accent and intonation reminded me of R. Reagan, not much the body language but the way he spoke at some points.
Second; seems to me like Obama is done. He did his part in history and now he only wanna be home with the kids, no more White House for him, no matter what.
I's stop watching it because Romney didn't said how will he balance revenue and cuts. How will he reduce government and create jobs.
He's the challenger and he deserves some credit for it, but is seems obvious to me that Obama has aged at a speed of four to one.
The best kept secret is the percentage of the subsidies that the banks are using for savings and which percentage is injected back in the monetary circuit as loans, no one knows if it is 70/30 75/25 90/10 or just zero. Seems to me that the monetary circuit is drained by the second. And one reason could be the feared inflation, or what is even worst, stagflation.
flyhawk25 10/4/2012 7:39:58 PM ReportIt's a three round fight kids.For a reason.
Romney may indeed run the table ... but the third round is the one people will remember.
Don't panic.
steelworker 10/4/2012 9:13:22 PM ReportAfter Ryan gets done with that buffoon Biden Obama better pack up his one trick circus and move back to Chi-town.
shakespeare 10/4/2012 9:13:26 PM ReportSpent a lot of time on planes today and bought Rolling Stone magazine to provide some in-flight entertainment. In this notoriously right wing publication was an absolutely damning and frightening article with a great cartoon of who is really driving the Romney bus and what the agenda is.
Some interesting excerpts from Pete Townshend's autobio. too.
lowla 10/4/2012 9:44:14 PM ReportHas anyone heard if Ace has found Blackie?
Wisenheimer 10/4/2012 11:37:15 PM ReportQuick, someone get Obama a Nobel prize for debating.
Spellchecker 10/4/2012 11:42:33 PM ReportCome away shakey, Rolling Stone a right wing mag, ROTFL. Far from it, my friend. You're lost in lefty land.