Zing 9/25/2012 6:47:07 AM Report
Good morning Blue Roomies, nice sunny day ahead. :)
Zing 9/25/2012 6:54:29 AM Report
Here we go again...
New SARS-Like Virus Detected in Middle East
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Grump 9/25/2012 6:57:25 AM Report
Good morning everyone. Snobank I look forward to reading it. In going through last evenings posts I detected something that has been sadly missing. Intelligent conversation. Keep this up and congatulations. Have a great day everyone.
Grump 9/25/2012 7:02:19 AM Report
Good morning Zing. I know many on here don't have much religion and I'm not pushing mine. That said I do believe very strongly in a higher power. It seems to take longer than we like but good things happen to good people and bad things happen to bad people.
Zing 9/25/2012 7:03:51 AM Report
Perhaps you would like to expand on your last post, Grump.
Zing 9/25/2012 7:05:09 AM Report
BTW, good morning. You lost me with that statement.
Are you suggesting those infected are 'bad' people?
jean-paul 9/25/2012 7:22:52 AM Report
Quack, rats carry desease,quack quack quack quack day quack.
Grace 9/25/2012 7:34:19 AM Report
Local politics.. Council decision on Queensgate.
Learningaswego mentioned last night about council voting on emotion...
Brian says it's a NIMBY thing..
I think we haven't seen the last of this!
Right Wing your opinion.
Flyhawk your opinion...GO!
On another story I see RYTAC is back in the news.
flyhawk25 9/25/2012 7:53:16 AM Report
Grace...I've not read this morning's paper yet but from what you wrote I'd guess that the homeowners would argue that when they built there they had an expectation of a golf course green belt.
Years ago the same idea popped up over the Sault Golf Course (the country club).
The plan would have seen developers build them a new course outside of the city and sell the existing course for housing.
As a homeowner in the area I was prepared to sue to stop it even though I belonged to the club.
It's only a golf course for about 100 days a year. The rest of the time it was a lovely green area for all to enjoy.
Cooler heads prevailed but I think we'd have won that one.
RLE 9/25/2012 8:12:20 AM Report
Having slept on this and taken my cynical pill I suggest the following rational came into play for Councillors Butland and Christian as well as Mayor Amoroso:
The aforementioned Council members voted for the residents of Queensgate because that will serve them better in the next election. They know that the OMB will give the developer what he wants, but they wont be the villains in the piece.
As for Councillor Manzo, he votes against everything so his negative vote was no surprise
As for the other negative votes I really have no reason why and can say the same for the positive votes
RLE 9/25/2012 8:15:52 AM Report
B.T.W. So far this morning nothing about American politics. I think it would be pleasant if that situation was maintained for the entire day.
BrianTheDog 9/25/2012 8:17:40 AM Report
I watched the gong show and there was no written legal aggreement. Besides when was the last time that Queensgate was open? Many people bought there homes when it was out of business. NIMBY
asIseeit 9/25/2012 8:20:32 AM Report
Too much Duck Weed JP, lay off the stuff JP.
nanag 9/25/2012 8:22:03 AM Report
I agree with you :D Truly there must be something else to discuss besides American politics. Of course you will notice I give no suggestions..as I am off to work and just had to put in my 1/2 cent worth .
Have a good day all
Big Bad Bob 9/25/2012 9:03:28 AM Report
RLE and Nanag
Hear ! Hear !
flyhawk25 9/25/2012 9:07:12 AM Report
I've 'played' the Queensgate course many times over its life.
I believe that it was doomed from the moment the original owners added a driving range to increase revenue and shrunk it down to an over-sized mini-putt.
To further exacerbate the problem it became a baby-sitting service for parents who dropped their kids off in the morning and picked them up at night.
The kids ran amok and turned it into a shooting gallery of errant balls, bad manners and no order.
Pity because it could have been a fine entry level spot to use for a quick nine holes and to teach kids.
My own son came with me many tines as a youngster but I would never leave him out there unsupervised.
Perfect example of developer short term greed killing a good idea.
old-cat33 9/25/2012 9:53:30 AM Report
Zing: You're right everyone will be wearing surgical masks around again!!
Hey the East End of Sault Ste Marie is the Sunny side of the city!! Before we were just a Poplar swamp area!! Now everybody wants to move here..LOL.
Zing 9/25/2012 11:12:02 AM Report
Cat....I believe SARS caused the 'billion' dollar Purell Outbreak!
mvnnth 9/25/2012 11:33:53 AM Report
"Jimssm 9/24/2012 9:57:59 PM Report
It's not a red herring at all. I'm sure the Board(s) (and the teachers) would prefer not to have to be present at all school events, games, dances, etc. but it is the insurance companies that are demanding it."
You might be sure but I'm not.
Firstly the "requirement" that a teacher be present during after hours programs doesn't square with their volunteer status.
Secondly, Drama and French Club are not in the high risk category and the few higher risk after school programs can be accommodated.
This blanket "requirement" reeks of union interference not risk management.
flyhawk25 9/25/2012 11:49:14 AM Report
It is school board policy to cover their liability.
It has absolutely nothing to do with unions.
jean-paul 9/25/2012 12:02:11 PM Report
Mind your own beeswax,quack quack quack quack ,stick to your own uneducated post.
mvnnth 9/25/2012 12:48:38 PM Report
"It has absolutely nothing to do with unions"
You can say that but I don't believe it. The bit about having a "teacher" rather than a responsible adult is more than a little suspicious. Liablity can be mitigated in a number of ways other than having a union member required to be a part of after hours programs. I'll ask a gentleman who writes commercial, and is a board member, and get back to you.
flyhawk25 9/25/2012 1:00:52 PM Report
Knock yourself out skippy.
Unless the policies have changed - and they may have - I will stand by 32 years experience and a few collective agreements negotiated.
The teachers become de facto agents of the board acting 'in loco parentis'.
Yours is a knee jerk anti-union statement with the accent on the second part of the word.
mvnnth 9/25/2012 1:35:55 PM Report
"I will stand by 32 years experience and a few collective agreements negotiated."
Exactly as I thought, it has everything to do with a union contract and nothing to do with mitigating liability and a far cry from your first assertion that it is school "policy".
As to your concluding statement, I would have thought that stuff was beneath you. I now know better.
Grace 9/25/2012 1:46:41 PM Report
So far today the cease fire on American politics is holding!
What a fantastic fall day! One for the books.Sure hope the weekend is nice to go for a ride and enjoy the leaves
BIG BROTHER 9/25/2012 2:40:38 PM Report
You are laughable!
Don't believe Fly!? Call your trustee. That's what they are there for. I'm sure they will fill you in.
flyhawk25 9/25/2012 3:04:01 PM Report
My point is that in all my experiences it was never even on the table.
The boards don't want to open a
Right now it's a free service.
They'll pay police and custodians overtime but expect teachers to do it as a 'professional obligation'.
I'd have loved to get into it but it would have cost us somewhere else. There's only so much money.
And I stand by my response to your anti-union snipe.
You don't like teachers. I get it. Just don't go throwing baloney around and expect it be gospel.You picked the wrong union guy to blather on to.
Why don't you run for trustee? I'd love to take you on in a public forum.
asIseeit 9/25/2012 3:08:31 PM Report
Jean Paul look at your post...need we say more? Who quacks? You. Who is uneducated, guess who? Initials are JP. Smoke some more Duck Weed LOL.
asIseeit 9/25/2012 3:09:57 PM Report
It is duck season and I like my duck with Poutine. Please use St. Albert curds and duck gravey. mmmmmmmmmm
RLE 9/25/2012 3:30:58 PM Report
Just got back from a walk on the Hub Trail (Fort Creek). If you haven't tried it yet,do yourself a favour and go for it.It's beautiful,peaceful and another spot that amazes me how much great beauty we Sooites are lucky enough to have.
nanag 9/25/2012 4:03:45 PM Report
You folks have done well to stay away from American Politics today. Talk about a breath of fresh air.
And yes the Fort Creek hub trail is beautiful. We really are blessed to have such gorgeous walking trails to enjoy
sweetc 9/25/2012 4:31:00 PM Report
Grump... you could open a whole can of worms by your statement that good things happen to good people and bad things happen to bad people. I believe it is just a little too general.
One can read it to mean that even a young child who has been abused must have been bad otherwise they would not have had anything bad happen to them.
BIG BROTHER 9/25/2012 4:37:25 PM Report
I don`t want to speak for Grump, but my interpretation, of that saying, goes like this: Good things happen when you do good things! Bad things happen when you do bad things! Obviously, good and bad things will happen anyway. (irregardless)
I don`t think it`s meant to be a blanket statement, just a rule of thumb. A karma statement.
BIG BROTHER 9/25/2012 4:38:36 PM Report
.....:)...smiley face for stats...
cathyh 9/25/2012 4:54:21 PM Report
Well, MPAC has spoken. Our house assessments will go up an average of 4.5% for the next 4 years. Isn't that wonderful. I guess we the people have no say in it at all, MPAC has spoken and that's the way it is.
jean-paul 9/25/2012 4:57:36 PM Report
You may have scared PROFILIC off of this site because she did,nt conform.You do,nt scare me,this site states comments,and that is my comment you cyber bully,maybe you should have changed your ID from ASISEEIT to PORKY.
cathyh 9/25/2012 4:58:15 PM Report
I'M sorry. I should have said 4.5% in each of the next four years. I don't know how they arrive at their conclusions and I don't think they can give us a reasonable answer either.
Jimssm 9/25/2012 5:16:58 PM Report
It has nothing to do with the union.
Why would a union negotiate to force their members to work what they consider 'extra hours' for no pay ? Their members would have their heads.
My wife was a school Principal for many years. NOT IN THE UNION. It is Board policy in order to receive reduced liability insurance premiums. If she couldn't do the activity, she 'encouraged' a teacher to do it.
No Board Employee willing to take responsibility = no activity because no board representative = no insurance.
Yes...you can have a parent Coach and as many parent helpers as you want, but there will always be a teacher or Principal present.
bluesslinger 9/25/2012 5:22:04 PM Report
"The future must not belong to those who slander the prophet of Islam."
- Barack Obama
skipper dave 9/25/2012 5:27:18 PM Report
Saving RYTAC - Folks some private developers would love to put up another condo - shame. The RYTAC location is the last open spot on the river that is open to the youth of this city to enjoy rowing, sailing, and canoeing. We have lost much of our marine heritage and no I'm not a supporter of the black rust bucket (sorry spelly) at the Marina. Having it saddled with the "Y" was doomed from the beginning. Sudbury has had a thriving boat and canoe club for the better part of seventy years. The university bases it's rowing teams out of there, we have sea cadets who I'm sure wouldn't mind calling it home. Maybe search and rescue could locate there? Sad.
Grump 9/25/2012 7:03:36 PM Report
Good thoughts on the use of the property Skipper and I hope someone takes ownership of some or all of them. Re Queensgate, I have known Tony and done work for him for a number of years and always found him to be a gentleman. I believe he will win at OMB and those that sell will leave with a profit and those that stay will see their homes increase greatly in value due to the addition of more high end homes in the area. Who in the hell wants a bunch of NIMBY's for neighbours anyway? By the way everyone, there are some really nice posts on here today with very few plain dumb ones. Even a few differences of opinion but with no name calling. All is as it should be.
shakespeare 9/25/2012 7:08:25 PM Report
Nice cherry-picking bluesy.
I have to tell you that you ... yes YOU... epitomise what is wrong with North American politics. You are partisan to the point of absurdity, you have an us and them philosphy, you have no sense of balance; you post only when you want to belittle or boast and use projection by insisting that others froth while you, in your very Christian way, sneer.
I'm told that we shoudn't attack the person but the message, so I would say that your posts are weasel-like, pathetic, and full of little-man resentment.
Otherwise, you are O.K.
Grace 9/25/2012 7:29:43 PM Report
Grump,,,Who in the hell wants a bunch of NIMBY's for neighbours anyway?
Guess all the people that showed up at city council and all those councillors that voted to support them.
You are right about Tony...he is a class act!
nanag 9/25/2012 8:19:27 PM Report
pardon my ignorance but what are NIMBY's
skipper dave 9/25/2012 8:34:42 PM Report
I fought city hall and lost on a rezoning issue. Years ago I had a new home on a street with single residences. A contractor bought four ajoining lots and applied to build semi-detacheds. I objected and bitterly lost.
mvnnth 9/25/2012 9:18:31 PM Report
"No Board Employee willing to take responsibility = no activity because no board representative = no insurance.
Yes...you can have a parent Coach and as many parent helpers as you want, but there will always be a teacher or Principal present"
There is no language in the union contract that pertains to this so I'll have to back off my assertion. However, there isn't a clause in the insurance policy that deals with a requirement that a teacher be present during after school activities. It has become a matter of expediency because of training requirements and police record checks and suchlike that makes it simpler and easier to have the teachers fill the roles in after hours programs.
Having said that it still makes sense to me to begin an effort to attract volunteers outside the system to conduct extra curricular activities for our young people.
Teachers should be encouraged but not required to participate. Let's not forget that these programs are for the children and no other reason. No teacher should participate unless they are volunteering. Having the union insert itself in this situation is totally unacceptable.
Spellchecker 9/25/2012 9:19:53 PM Report
NOT IN MY BACK YARD
bluesslinger 9/25/2012 9:33:13 PM Report
Big lefty disses BHO - love it!
On issues related to the military and foreign policy, Obama’s worse than Bush, “in the sense that he’s more aggressive, more illegal worldwide,” Nader told POLITICO, going so far as to call Obama a “war criminal.”
Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0912/81649.html#ixzz27XELGasi
nanag 9/25/2012 9:38:12 PM Report
Thank you Spellchecker
shakespeare 9/25/2012 9:39:51 PM Report
mvnnth: you have behaved like a jerk and you are just kind of getting around to admitting it.
Let me tell you a story. Over 30 years ago, I took a high school group (all seniors) to a play at Stratford. We watched the play and took the bus home. Two days later , while I was with my soccer team at a game (another voluntary activity) a Board official came to the sidelines to say that one of my students had "beaten the crap" out of a Toronto student at Stratford. I had no idea.
The "crap-beaten out of student" happened to be the son of a Toronto MPP. They were after suing my Board for no supervision by a board official. Even though parents were there I was the Board official. Apparently during the intermission of Henry IV, Part I, some students had chosen not to return (Phillistines!) and a fight had ensued. The Board's and my bacon were saved by the fact that I was , in fact, overseeing events and that out of 60 students, I could not be held accountable for a 19 year old who did not return to his seat. The other issue was that the MMP's son was loaded with Mother Nature and my stupid student wanted some.
I hope you realize now, you pompous idiot that Flyhawk was totally correct and that it's not unions but insurance liabilities that dictate the rules.
Hence my comment of a few days' ago. There would have been no senior boys volleyball team at my school, even though parents were willing to coach, if I hadn't accepted the role.
shakespeare 9/25/2012 9:49:38 PM Report
bluesy, you unmitigated idiot (sorry: your posts show unmitigated idiocy) here is a quote from the article that you have bombastically cited in your last post:
Nader doesn’t let Republicans off easy, either, calling them “the worst Republican Party in history.”
Do you actually read what you copy and paste?
flyhawk25 9/25/2012 9:52:03 PM Report
mvnnth..."so I'll have to back off my assertions". As in you are wrong.
Except you then plow ahead with the nonsense about the 'union'.
If you are a parent I bet you are every teacher's nightmare.
You have beaten this anti-union drum to death. You have been proven to be wrong.
Apparently that doesn't appear to dissuade you.
When you can offer a different tune I'll happily engage you and get on to other things.
You are a perfect candidate to run for trustee.I'm sure there are enough like-minded knuckleheads who would vote for you.
Great entry level political spot. Dumb, rigid and wrong. No big deal - Mike Harris turned that into a career.
Fortunately we can gag and get ready for your next goofy hypothesis before you hit the larger stage of anti-whatever and the glare of the truth and public scrutiny should stop your rant.
RLE 9/25/2012 11:19:54 PM Report
Well we almost made it through the day w/o reference to American politics.
The day was kind of like attending a hockey game You hoped a fight wouldn't break out but you were pretty sure one would