jean-paul 9/13/2012 6:51:24 AM Report
HO ho more quack quack quack quack and quack quack again.
Grace 9/13/2012 7:06:19 AM Report
I agree...quack quack..coffee..mmmm....quackquackquack!!!!
Grump 9/13/2012 7:15:29 AM Report
Good morning everyone. Grace I was never in the military as I was too young for the big one and too old for the others. I was overseas managing a Saudi/American Construction Company. Just living there was all stress I ever wanted. Have a great day everyone.
Grace 9/13/2012 7:19:39 AM Report
It's okay..very interesting none the less.
Wisenheimer 9/13/2012 8:14:21 AM Report
In retrospect, Harper's move to evacuate our diplomats from Tehran last week was brilliant. Feel free to comment.
right wing 9/13/2012 8:15:20 AM Report
History lesson of the day.
“Democrats are unwavering in our support of equal opportunity for all Americans. That’s why we’ve worked to pass every one of our nation’s Civil Rights laws… On every civil rights issue, Democrats have led the fight.”
October 3, 1924
Republicans denounce three-time Democrat presidential nominee William Jennings Bryan for defending the Ku Klux Klan at 1924 Democratic National Convention.
June 12, 1929
First Lady Lou Hoover invites wife of U.S. Rep. Oscar De Priest (R-IL), an African-American, to tea at the White House, sparking protests by Democrats across the country.
Wow 1929, not that long ago.
How's that song go..."True colours come shinning through"
jean-paul 9/13/2012 8:16:54 AM Report
GRUMP They dont take rats in the military.
RLE 9/13/2012 8:28:06 AM Report
The Democrats successfully put forward the first black president.
Basically what you're showing is that the Cons. live in the past and we libs like to learn from the past,live in the present and look to the future
It's a great and rewarding concept.You should try it sometime.
Right Winger 9/13/2012 8:29:25 AM Report
Again I state that public sector workers should not have the right to strike, or for that matter be locked out. We as the tax paying public do not have other options when these services are withdrawn unlike in the private sector. I can't take my kid out of one high school and put them into another for a few weeks. I can't run to Quebec or Michigan to get a license to operate a business. Sure, issue a work to rule mandate. However, since you don't have to be a teacher to coach high school sports, that should not be interfered with so long as classes are going on. Once you coach you are no different than the accountant or Postal Worker coaching. Coaching the football team is not associated with your job. Its something you choose to do.
right wing 9/13/2012 8:31:24 AM Report
Yesterday in discussions regarding Libya you stated:
"Perhaps you (Grace) should be more concerned that the tragedy is the result of a hate-inspired movie made by an admitted Israeli-American Jew. And just what has his $5 million movie accomplished except to instil even more hatred, hostility and intolerance?
Perhaps you T-rat should be concerned that the tragedy is the result of hate-inspired by the Obama campaign pumping up the killing of Bin-Laden.
The Dems have bumper stickers that state "Bid-Laden is Dead, GM is Alive."
What does this accomplish except to instil even more hatred, hostility and intolerance in the Muslim and Terrorist world.
I thought Obama cared about their feelings?
right wing 9/13/2012 8:33:46 AM Report
I was awaiting that comment and you did not disappoint.
Patience my little Munchican, we will get to that.
Right Winger 9/13/2012 8:34:05 AM Report
Republicans had the first African American Secratary of State, and the first African American Secratary of State.
Guess what, COLOUR SHOULDN'T EVER MATTER!
RLE 9/13/2012 8:42:38 AM Report
Your comment,"COLOUR SHOULDN'T EVER MATTER!" is absolutely correct.
Question is, given the truth of the statement,why did you bring up the colour issue in your earlier post?
Can't you get ol' Dobbin to pull the buggy forward?
Right Winger 9/13/2012 8:44:58 AM Report
Because we are beyond this. Black White Chinese Latino Indian, this is nto an issue we should be discussing today. It doesn't matter.
flyhawk25 9/13/2012 8:46:58 AM Report
right wing...now you are quoting bumper stickers?
Well why not.
The Romney poll numbers stink. He's putting his foot in his mouth every other day. The geniuses who produced their convention wasted ten minutes of prime time with a dotty actor rambling on to an empty chair.
Read any good milk cartons lately?
Mr. Poster 9/13/2012 8:47:13 AM Report
In my mind there is no doubt OBAMA will be returned. It is a matter of whom do you trust.
Right Winger 9/13/2012 8:52:35 AM Report
Mr. Statesman Obama sure has a lot of friend in the middle east these days doesn't he?
Right Winger 9/13/2012 8:53:58 AM Report
Mr. Poster 9/13/2012 8:47:13 AM Report
In my mind there is no doubt OBAMA will be returned. It is a matter of whom do you trust.
To Hawaii or his country of Birth?
A.E.D. 9/13/2012 8:56:45 AM Report
Before you insult somebody you should walk a mile in their shoes.That way when you insult them you'll be a mile away and have their shoes!This room is so weird that the cockroaches have moved next door.Should vegetarians eat animal crackers? (QUACK QUACK, FROGGY.)
Grace 9/13/2012 9:02:36 AM Report
How would Obamah answer this question?
Mr. Obama please choose one of the following that would best describe yourself.
a)Black African American
b)White Anglo American
I would hope that he would choose C and not go along with those that make color of skin a positive or a negative atribute in a candidate. Shouldn't matter...
right wing 9/13/2012 9:03:13 AM Report
The love affair is over.
Now that McGuinty has stopped dolling out bags upon bags of candy to the teachers, the teachers are in a tizzy.
The teachers union is "outraged".
So outraged that they are calling on their membership to "reconsider volunteering for after school activities such as clubs and sports."
Now a big part of the lure of a teaching career is suppose to be the interaction with the students, not just in study but the clubs and sports.
The teachers are there to make a difference in the young spirited lives.
...and what is the first thing the scum sucking union does, encourage teachers to hold a gun to the students head.
Teachers are well compensated with pay and have excellent coverage on all levels along with a great pension.
When you start holding a gun to the students heads and coming across as greedy when the Province is needy (McGuinty's fault) it can blow up in your face and public opinion definitely sours.
There are thousands of folks out there that are capable and willing to do the job of a teacher, we're not talking neurosurgery here.
As long as McGuinty had sugar in his hand the teachers and it's union were all smiles, did they think it would go on for ever.
They are talking a two year freeze after years of pigging out at the trough, are their bellies not full enough?
Grace 9/13/2012 9:07:49 AM Report
RW...why do you think you argue with so many of the Liberal perswasion?
All starts in the schools..
Spellchecker 9/13/2012 9:11:28 AM Report
flyhawk25 9/13/2012 9:12:09 AM Report
right wing...what part of 'voluntary' do you not understand?
It seems that you would mandate teachers to do after school activities.
I just re-read your post because I could not believe you used the term 'scum sucking'.
Your yarn is coming unraveled pal.
right wing 9/13/2012 9:13:22 AM Report
The brainwashing starts early.
I am glad there are still many around to provide us with endless free entertainment and comedic fodder.
Nothing more fun than pissing off a liberal.
right wing 9/13/2012 9:16:37 AM Report
Ii used the term "scum sucking" just for you bud, I knew you missed Wilbur so I thought I give you some warm and fuzzy feelings.
...and I don't give a rats if it's voluntary or not, the union still calls for it and there are those that will follow it.
The point remains the same.
Unraveled and unions are two words that definitely are harmonious in the same sentence.
Right Winger 9/13/2012 9:22:34 AM Report
Like I said when volunteering their times has little to do with their job other than convenience. As I sated, they are not different than any other person who volunteers their time to coach except their job title. But teacher has nothing to do with coach once it becomes voluntary. Them withdrawing their volunteer time would be the same as if Post Office went on strike an the mail man that is a coach withdrew his services.
right wing 9/13/2012 9:23:45 AM Report
Are after school activities not part of the lure of becoming a teacher?
It sure was when I went to school.
Am I shocked to hear that the word pay would be used in the discussion, unfortunately no.
Public opinion reflects that there is already enough pay.
CBC radio did an excellent call in program on this a couple of weeks ago, you should have caught it, perhaps you did.
I was pleasantly surprised by the amount of teachers, both still teaching and retired, that called in and disclosed their disgust with the union and on some levels what teaching has come to represent.
Wisenheimer 9/13/2012 9:26:37 AM Report
Spellchecker will have a field day.
shakespeare 9/13/2012 9:32:34 AM Report
Despite his shrill tone, I agree with rw's point. If I were a high school teacher, I would not withdraw my volunteer services as I'm volunteering for the kids not McGuinty. The soccer team, the guitar club and the young socialists would continue unabated.
Pink Peony 9/13/2012 9:43:47 AM Report
As far as I'm concerned, volunteering is about caring, compassion, giving without expecting anything in return. It's not about "look at me", "look what I'm doing for free".
Right Winger 9/13/2012 9:50:38 AM Report
I am curious how many of these teachers volunteer and don't put it on their resumes for future advancement?
asIseeit 9/13/2012 9:53:46 AM Report
Right Winger in all due respect, why not? Those little darlings always the molly coddled generation always need to always have. They can do with a little doing without. Go home and play outside. Get freshair.
flyhawk25 9/13/2012 9:58:27 AM Report
Just to stir the pot...
At school dances teachers volunteer. Occasionally parents actually do as well. It was rare in my experience but it did happen.
However - the schools hire off-duty police and pay them to attend.
One of my last times we had a bomb threat called in, the police had to empty the whole school in the winter - no coats just get outside.
What did it for me was a fight outside the door that I helped break up with two rental cops in January in the rain on the ice.In the process I ruined a new pair of shoes and my employer just laughed when I asked for the cost to replace them.
That's when I found out that I was not covered by their accident or liability insurance.
End of that silliness.
Right Winger 9/13/2012 10:12:39 AM Report
Again, its volunteering. If they make it madatory for teachers to be in attendance you should be compensated. However for straight up volunteering, you roll with the punches.
Zing 9/13/2012 10:21:53 AM Report
Are you getting all this, Spelly?
flyhawk25 9/13/2012 10:37:31 AM Report
I actually had two little 118 pound weasels on the ice in the rain by their shirts when my new Florsheims got ruined.
The nice female officer had another one cornered under a vehicle and was commanding him to exit.The big male officer had another one in some judo hold.
The both had body armor, guns and pepper spray. I has shoes with leather soles and two drunken teenagers in tow.
Thanks but if Dalton wants volunteers let him be first.
bluesslinger 9/13/2012 10:38:10 AM Report
Rasmussen nation wide poll:
Mitt Romney 47% of voters, Obama 46% of voters.
Barak Hussien Obama rejected a meeting, and refuses to meet with Netanyahu but invited Muslim Brotherhood Egyptian President Mohammad Morsi to meet with him in New York next week.
A shot directly into his foot.
cathyh 9/13/2012 10:42:46 AM Report
sppp: I've just read your post from last night. The fact that 2 out of 3 sites for helicopter emergency landing are unusable is terrible. I hope you send an e-mail to Mr. Orazietti and let him know. Obviously the gov't that he represents either doesn't know or doesn't care. That same gov't would rather put its efforts in to closing down Batchewana park prematurely. I heard a caller on CBC radio this morning say that the McGuinty gov't is rumored to be putting Batchewana park up for sale.
right wing 9/13/2012 10:45:04 AM Report
The stars were just in bad alignment for you or the mayan calendar was off experiencing a bomb threat and rain in January.
What were you doing wearing shoes in January and why did you not just let the cops do their job.
I went to a lot of high school dances in my day and all went smooth...especially my dancing.
right wing 9/13/2012 10:47:06 AM Report
Miracles do happen.
If you are hearing a shrill tone turn down one of your hearing aids, you're getting feedback.
Wisenheimer 9/13/2012 10:47:13 AM Report
Fly ... big memorial tribute to Neil Armstrong to-day .. Diana Krall singing "Fly me to the Moon". Charlatans all ..eh Fly.
right wing 9/13/2012 10:48:30 AM Report
asIseeit come out of the closet and just be who you are...eversons.
Right Winger 9/13/2012 10:48:32 AM Report
What I am saying is that if nobody wants to volunteer to supervise a dance, and nobody wants to volunteer for school sports fine. Nobody is making anyone do it. If the school is going to have a dance and they can't get a volunteer, then either compensate the teachers that do or cancel the dance. Sucks to be the kids, but a dance is hardly important to their overall life.
mallet 9/13/2012 10:54:48 AM Report
Just reading a story in my old home town newsaper, the authorities have turned off the power to two villages because.... the smoke from a fire contains carbon which could cause a power surge... Any electricians out there who have heard of this??? For disconnecting the electricity that is a new one on me!!
right wing 9/13/2012 11:09:16 AM Report
You're from the U.K., right, the nanny state of more socialist rules and regulations than anywhere on the planet.
It's a regulation that some bureaucrat made up.
School dances were absolutely vital to me learning how to play air guitar and unhook a bra strap with two fingers.
Right Winger 9/13/2012 11:11:01 AM Report
JerryLundegard 9/13/2012 11:16:13 AM Report
Truth is, their is good and bad in political, social, and economic philosophies from both major parties...if you can't see this, you're just an ignorant pig....What's the point of showing your ignoramus, piggery!
JerryLundegard 9/13/2012 11:17:29 AM Report
Not calling anyone on here a pig, just pigs in general!
Pink Peony 9/13/2012 11:38:43 AM Report
Have you seen the little piggies
Crawling in the dirt
And for all the little piggies
Life is getting worse
Always having dirt to play around in.
Pink Peony 9/13/2012 11:39:36 AM Report
Oops, should have put quotation marks around that.
JerryLundegard 9/13/2012 12:03:25 PM Report
The filthy rich, bashing the filthy rich! Ever look at that song that way? Kinda ironic! Good tune though!
flyhawk25 9/13/2012 12:16:03 PM Report
right wing...I knew it!
So just how long have you been wearing an easy-off bra?
Good of you to 'come out'. We could probably get you elected to parliament.
Failing that you could volunteer at school dances. Check with SQ to see if Darlene has an extra party dress.
I just knew there was a neo-con answer to this labor mess.
Sam C 9/13/2012 12:18:27 PM Report
I think people are missing the point behind the teacher's withdrawal from volunteer activities. Unlike their unionized brothers and sisters in industry, there is little opportunity for a "job action" in which teachers can participate.
Now that they aren't allowed to strike, all they can do in terms of "job action" is to withdraw from the volunteer activities.
Remember, too, that this job action is being called-for by the Federation.
I agree that, at it's heart, volunteering is about caring. Unfortunately, most extra-curricular activities that take place are supervised by volunteers, whether teachers or others from the community.
And yes, volunteering does contribute to a teacher's career advancement, as it demonstrates a commitment to the life of a school.
Grace 9/13/2012 12:26:47 PM Report
Obama warns Egypt: Are you ally or enemy?
Sounding more like Bush every day!
flyhawk25 9/13/2012 12:32:46 PM Report
If he "sounds more like Bush every day" he must have had a quick lobotomy and even Fox News missed it.
Christina216 9/13/2012 12:32:52 PM Report
just to let people know....the kids at White Pines are doing their own protest. They are pissed that the after school games and practices were cancelled. my son came home at lunch time and asked to stay home for the afternoon because no one was going to school for the afternoon classes.
mallet 9/13/2012 12:41:10 PM Report
Yes I am from Limey Land, however it was not like that when I left. Sure there was Health and Safety, but not to the extent that it has got too now, another story was on how some enthusiasts were trying to excavate an old railway station in the City of Norwich, but have been stopped because of soil contamination, creosote from the old sleepers(ties) etc. When I worked for the British Railways we handled all those sort of things as part of the job. However, and here I will rile you some RW, when Maggie Thatcher joined the EU everything started to go to hell in a handbasket. Today farmers cannot use certain pesticides and fertilizers because they do not conform to E U rules and regs. That I think was the biggest mistake of all the conservative blunders they ever made, but of course the socialists also have to take some of the blame for not using their veto to stop a lot of these inane regulations from becoming law in the UK.
All Is Well 9/13/2012 12:44:33 PM Report
No Sam, they also can turn their classrooms into podiums for their political purposes. My daughter came home from her high school class to say that the teacher went on and on about the cruel Liberals taking away everything the teachers have(not to mention that it took more than the Liberals to pass the legislation). The poor teachers, barely making it from payday to payday, putting in twenty hours a day, walking uphill to and from school each day, giving their heart and soul to their students. I wonder what her mark would be like, if my daughter interrupted her to clarify a few misguided statements from the teacher? Probably the same types of marks she would receive by arguing with her Algoma University political science professors.
mvnnth 9/13/2012 1:16:39 PM Report
"Now that they aren't allowed to strike, all they can do in terms of "job action" is to withdraw from the volunteer activities."
You state that the point is being missed. Au Contraire mon ami. The action that is being taken is not, as you point out, a "job action". The teachers, when they volunteer, are not doing so as part of their job. If they don't want to continue to volunteer the course of action would be to give reasonable notice of their intention to remove themselves from their role in order to facilitate the search for a replacement. That would help ensure that the program wouldn't be disrupted while a search for a volunteer is carried out. Doing it this way, without notice, is mean and petty and will do nothing for their cause.
As for the union's part in this, IMO it is tantamount to meddling in the private lives of the members. All this points to a need to rethink the teachers' roles in after school programs. They are obviously not what most people would think of as "volunteers".
SandyB 9/13/2012 1:29:06 PM Report
flyhawk.. when i was prez of the PTA at Korah another mom and I were at every dance.. we had a ball.. probably TOO much fun :)
mallet 9/13/2012 1:45:55 PM Report
All You Political Commentators...
How about this one for you..The Federal Reserve will buy additional agency mortgage based securities at a pace of $40 billion per month and if the economy doesn't improve will look at increasing the amount. Now I am not sure of economics but where do you get the money to do this sort of thing when you are already near the ceiling of your credit limit??
Of course the economy is pivotal to the Presidential election this year!
I guess this is like the old west's idea of "if you vote for me I'll buy you a drink". How very cynical of me!!
TRE 9/13/2012 1:46:48 PM Report
Teachers should just wake up and smell the coffee. They work 5 days a week, with Christmas, March Break, and summers off, all while getting more than adequately compensated and I am not even going to talk about the benefits and sick days. Sure there may times where they just have to put in more of their precious time, but how is this different from others who are in the workforce? If they are looking for sympathy they may discover most people don't care. I am sure there are many young unemployed teachers out there who would welcome the opportunity to have a job and stability like they do. They should be grateful for their wages and all the perks.
steelworker 9/13/2012 1:52:25 PM Report
If you don't like your rate of pay as a teacher just quit. I hear Wal-mart is hiring.
steelworker 9/13/2012 1:55:56 PM Report
Looks like Obama was so confident in the Muslim Brotherhood to protect the U.S. embassy that he wouldn't let the Marines have live ammunition on embassy grounds. Go figure.
Mr. Poster 9/13/2012 2:24:24 PM Report
Christina...I hope you marched your son back to White Pines and did NOT let him stay home.
Grace 9/13/2012 2:34:56 PM Report
Care to review the facts...seeing you were such an expert yesterday on the backround of the guy who made this movie that you've never seen.
flyhawk25 9/13/2012 2:53:02 PM Report
'Understanding the Ultraconservative Mind: Part 4 - How the Model Imploded But the Belief System Remained'...
Readers may remember studying the Roman empire in school. How it expanded further and further using mercenaries because they did not have the population or the will to continue the growth necessary to sustain their need for food, wealth and land.
My teachers pointed out that was part of the human condition - at some point growth outstrips sustainability.
And so the US grew and prospered as it moved its economic model west, north and south.
As a necessary result villages became towns and territories became states.
What worked as a tightly controlled agrarian industrial model on the eastern seaboard morphed and took on a new face and tone as a result.
A belief that a man could work hard and prosper took on iconic tones and an American twist on the divine right of kings.
One could argue that it wasn't until Henry Ford literally created the middle class for his workers to buy the products they made that society remained the same for over a hundred years.
Suddenly workers demanded 'fair' wages and working conditions. Unions sprang up in the eyes of many like a cancer on the growth of wealth.
After WW II women emerging from factory jobs demanded the same rights as men.
Added pressure from Eisenhower's infrastructure changes to highways and all of America had the opportunity to be mobile and to pursue fame and fortune in all four corners of the country.
More pressure ensued from the decline of old urban areas as heavy industry like steel mills closed and once great cities became blighted shells left to minorities and immigrants.
Through it all most white Americans clung to strong Christian values and a belief in the pioneer spirit and the wealth of the land that God gave them.
Almost overnight the growth of a nation slowed and even the boost of the need of war supported base industries could not buffer them from the next tidal wave - the electronic age and information expansion.
The natural evolution of a society was beginning to mirror the Romans and others.
America had became too big and too diverse.
Coming next -'Part 5:Information Explosion and the Failure of the Societal Model'.
steelworker 9/13/2012 2:56:29 PM Report
Blah,blah blah. Niner!!!!
cathyh 9/13/2012 2:57:59 PM Report
Flyhawk25: So, are you going to give a solution to the problems caused by the evolution of human nature when you're finished with your teaching or are you going to leave it up to the likes of Obama, Romney, Harper, Marois, Orazietti et al?
RLE 9/13/2012 3:04:22 PM Report
Report names the world's 100 most endangered species-CNN
1. Pygmy Three Toed Sloth
3, A Republican with class
4. Any Cons.
Okay, I added the last two, but I figure it's only because the makers of the list didn't consider humans
Wheels17 9/13/2012 3:06:17 PM Report
I can't believe the teachers are protesting and because of their stupidity cancelling extracurricular activities for the high school students that have paid good money to be able to play. The parents of these students must be fuming. Teachers don't seem to the same breed anymore and seem to strike over everything when they are lucky to have weekends and holidays off and to get a decent wage. Teachers should get back to work and worry about the students as they are our future.
ROLAND_ROLLY 9/13/2012 3:17:52 PM Report
Remember: Extra circicular activities are voluntary. We need to realize that this is only the tip of the iceberg. The government of the day may decide that autoworkers are necessary due to the taxes they pay and legislate them to work without a ratified contract ! This is the issue here folks.
I do not blame the teachers for the salaries they make, after all, the average Steelworker is near this salary.
There is no respect for teachers in the classroom from students or parents. This is partly the fault of parents and government medling.
In closing, who's next.... I can hardly wait for the next provincial election. Tony... get ready you may be ready for a comeback !
mallet 9/13/2012 3:22:23 PM Report
How many times have I heard, why is the steel plant on stike, they make good money, or this place or that mine, they all make good money. Maybe true, but there again, very few have had their right to withdraw their labour removed and their wages frozen by law. Prehaps it is expected that teachers should give their time voluntary to extra activities, but who else is it expected of?? In many peoples eyes they make good money and have good vacation and benifits, but how many would want to face the same beaming smiling faces for a year, know full well you are only getting through to a small number of them.. Not me...
Wheels17 9/13/2012 3:50:29 PM Report
Well, we should count our blessings that we actually have jobs to go and we get somewhat decent wages to pay for things that we need or want. We are all lucky that we have access to education in North America because there are places that don't have schools or they have to go several hours just to get to a school to learn. I bet, the teachers there are very thankful for what they have.
right wing 9/13/2012 3:51:25 PM Report
"My teachers pointed out that was part of the human condition - at some point growth outstrips sustainability."
Talking about 100 years ago.....
BIG BROTHER 9/13/2012 3:56:00 PM Report
You are so right!!
Wheels, get the facts straight. There is no strike nor has a strike vote been taken. As a matter of fact, there has been no negotiation whatsoever.
That is the issue. The government has unilaterally decided that it is OK to take away bargaining rights, contrary to the labour laws, as they exist. Most teachers realize the economic situation in Ontario. And few are asking for more money. The government is putting a spin on things and the union has done a lousy job making this point. If anything, the teachers should be walking out in droves right now!! And yes, there is a social science lesson in this. Bottom line: here is what happens in dictatorships. Rights are taken away arbitrarily from common people without negotiation or justification. A real life example from a first world society, not some foreign land, but right under our noses.
Volunteering is just that. There is no pay associated with coaching teams in Ontario schools, like there is in Michigan, where high school sports coaches are paid, whether they be teachers or not.
We all have benefited from the existence of unions. Their mandate, from the beginning of their existence, has been to attempt to achieve a decent living wage for working people.
right wing 9/13/2012 3:58:28 PM Report
I firmly believe that John Q. Public is sick and tired of seeing how teachers are quiet as a church mouse when their pay stubs go up and they are getting what they want but cry like a ward full of babies when thing don't go their way.
McGuinty (as much as I despise the guy) is proposing a two year freeze and what does the teachers union do...play the charter of rights card.
Funny how you never hear them go public when they are on the receiving end protesting that they are perhaps getting to much.
The comparison of steel workers to teachers is moot.
Steelworkers are dealing with a private corporation, teachers are sucking off the public tit.
right wing 9/13/2012 4:01:32 PM Report
You had should read the responses on this site and many other news source sites, the general public does not agree with you what-so-ever.
The government is putting a spin on things...LMFAO, talk about the pot and the kettle.
right wing 9/13/2012 4:07:02 PM Report
" And yes, there is a social science lesson in this. Bottom line: here is what happens in dictatorships. Rights are taken away arbitrarily from common people without negotiation or justification. A real life example from a first world society, not some foreign land, but right under our noses."
Hahahahahahahahaha, blew my coffee out my nose (flyhawks favorite thing to do) this coming from a hard core socialist and a teacher.
"We all have benefited from the existence of unions. Their mandate, from the beginning of their existence, has been to attempt to achieve a decent living wage for working people."
Mission accomplished a long time ago.
Now they simply stir up shit to justify the massive amounts of money they collect from their memberships paychecks.
The union of today protects the useless, lazy, should have been fired a long time ago employee.
cathyh 9/13/2012 4:25:53 PM Report
Right wing: You must have benefitted from a union since you say you were a teacher. Did you benefit from the union or did you remove yourself from it? Did you refuse the wages, benefits that were gained when you were a teacher? I've never worked in a job that was unionized but I don't believe that McGuinty is right in what he did. I support the teachers in their beef w/the gov't. Why have labor laws and unions when a corrupt gov't can run roughshod over them? In all the years that I attended school I did not have one bad, lazy teacher. In my books they are the front line to our country's future prosperity.
cathyh 9/13/2012 4:28:00 PM Report
right wing: Sorry, I misspoke. I reread your last post and you did not say you were a teacher.
steelworker 9/13/2012 4:46:08 PM Report
I would love to take a teacher to work.
BIG BROTHER 9/13/2012 4:46:40 PM Report
The actions of the government of Ontario prove, more than ever, the necessity of unions.
rw doesn't have a clue about the issues, among other things. For someone who spends his day on the computer, googling everything under the sun, one would think he may be more informed.
right wing 9/13/2012 4:53:11 PM Report
Actually I do teach once a year at Sault College, the 4th year apprentices, it is volunteer and I do not get paid.
Hal A. Pino 9/13/2012 4:55:28 PM Report
Big Brother, sorry to repost this excerpt , but you said it correctly. This is scary stuff...
"The government has unilaterally decided that it is OK to take away bargaining rights, contrary to the labour laws, as they exist. Bottom line: here is what happens in dictatorships. Rights are taken away arbitrarily from common people without negotiation or justification."
Wake up, people! This isn't all about teachers, nor is it all about bargaining rights!
right wing 9/13/2012 4:58:20 PM Report
"rw doesn't have a clue about the issues, among other things. For someone who spends his day on the computer, googling everything under the sun, one would think he may be more informed."
Really Big Bro, well I sure stirred up a lot of opinion on this subject.
...you and some of the select cronies that babble about googling along with bullshit about spending the day on the computer is old, boring and all to telling that you are on the receiving end of an ass kicking.
As if my personal life has anything to do with the points being made.
right wing 9/13/2012 5:00:37 PM Report
LMFA...the Liberal governments have been taking rights away in this country from the common folks for a long time...but suddenly it's an issue...it involves...are you ready for it...teachers!
ROTFLMFAO.....the horror, oh the horror.
KENNEDY919 9/13/2012 5:01:29 PM Report
I do not begrudge anybody for the money and benefits they are able to negotiate for themselves through their union or at the time of hire.
But the reality of the situation is that the province of Ontario has a 13 billion dollar deficit with declining tax revenues due to job losses and plant closings in the manufacturing sector. The employees of St.Marys Paper,Weyerhauser,Dubreuville,Domtar and Marathon Pulp cannot have empathy for the teachers who must endure the mild pain of frozen wages and reduced sick days. Many private sector employees in the North have lost their livelihood and golden pensions.
CAW members now must take pay and benefit reductions in order to keep their jobs from moving to the USA.
Government at all levels must take a tougher stand in dealing with these public sector unions as the real pain of rising health care costs will only make the public fiscal picture more dire than ever before. Not to mention that we are in this predicament despite rock bottom interest rates. When interest rates begin to rise the deficit problem will only escalate more out of control.
The tough policies actually required will eventually put public sector employees on the picket line. This would really not be a bad thing in that tax dollars could be applied to the deficit at the cost of stalled and disrupted services. As the teachers rebel over mild actions of wage freezes and sick day reductions they better be ready for the real fight when austerity measures become a necessity here and not something that is just affecting Europe. Sadly the situation can only get worse.We are all to blame thus we must all absorb the pain.
Jimssm 9/13/2012 5:06:40 PM Report
The issue is not whether teachers are paid too much or too little.
The real issue is not taking away the teachers' right to strike, though I feel this is unfair.
What strikes me as the danger is that the gov't CANCELLED certain contracts that were negotiated in collective bargaining and had not yet expired. This is not legal and the gov't will lose the case in court.
right wing 9/13/2012 5:17:50 PM Report
What gets me, and many folks that I have discussed this with, up in arms is that the hand is always out for the taking but the kicking and screaming along with the sudden "watch out for BIG BROTHER government" crap is more than some can take given the situation of the day.
right wing 9/13/2012 5:30:19 PM Report
"The 2012 Canadian Adult Recreation Hockey Association World Cup generated about $13.3 million is economic activity.
That was the final tally revealed in a recently-released report from the Canadian Sport Tourism Alliance (CSTA)."
To all those that stated that we did not need to build the Essar Centre...up your nose with a rubber hose.
Proof that moving forward provides economic stability for the future.
Next to prove itself will be the efficiency of the new P.U.C. building.
(that ought to bring out the protestors in droves)
Grump 9/13/2012 5:54:05 PM Report
I think the Unions are on the way out and since it is more about protecting their pay and perks I find it hard to figure out why the membership would continue to support them. The bottom line is simple, the taxpayer can no longer afford these bloated salaries and benefits. The unions have sent many jobs offshore with their demands and now they are trying to draw blood for the public sector workers. The more the Unions push the more any government will push back. Yes some rights will be trampelled on but taxpayers have rights too.
Grump 9/13/2012 5:55:52 PM Report
Quack, quack I have to believe you because I'm sure you are our resident expert on rats. LMAO
All Is Well 9/13/2012 6:01:18 PM Report
In the last ten years, teacher wages have risen 25%. Would it not be reasonable to be able to say wages of teachers have risen 25% over twelve years? Most wages, in Ontario, have risen less than half that. Teachers haven't given up any days off, vacation weeks are still the same, and they can still bank sick days for retirement, and they can still come back to work, after retiring, on contract.
There was a reason why teachers held out and that was they wanted to negotiate with local school boards, instead of negotiating with the government. They knew they could put more "local pressure" on boards to get a better deal.
Grace 9/13/2012 6:04:21 PM Report
jean-paul 9/13/2012 6:28:25 PM Report
GRUMP Next time in the mines give your hoistman a few extra bells ,ding dong and stay there.Rats like the dark.
right wing 9/13/2012 6:33:29 PM Report
Wow, Grace let me help you with that link.
Grump 9/13/2012 6:34:49 PM Report
Quack, quack as I said you are the fellow who knows what rats like. By the way maroon I don't work in a mine, it's just a saying, smarten up.
molder2 9/13/2012 6:59:12 PM Report
Our unions are just another form of mafia goverment!only protect the bad!Don`t need them...
mallet 9/13/2012 6:59:47 PM Report
While governments and employers can legislate and fire at will then there will be a need for unions. No one was up in arms when all these contracts were signed, only after the Ontario and Federal governments found themselves deeply in the red did it suddenly become necessary to break legally binding agreements and contracts, and remove the right to withdraw their labour. No one gave a flying F86k that the men at Vale were out on strike for nearly a year, why? it did not inconvinience anyone, so what? taxes were not paid income or city or school, which meant a strain on social services of one sort or another.. If the governments in their desire to build empires had used the fiscal restraint then, there would not be the need now. The truth sometimes is very hard to take, however we all want services that we know we could not individually afford to pay for, so we are also to blame and governments for giving in to lobbists and personal agendas, as in McGuint's daycare...
Spellchecker 9/13/2012 7:28:36 PM Report
Mallet, Edward Heath was the conservative Prime Minister when Britain joined the European Economic Community, one of the EU's incarnations, in 1973. It wouldn't have mattered who the prime minister was at the time because it was destined to be so. It is also destined that Britain will soon leave the EU or be kicked out. One way or the other, they will not be in the final configuration.
Oldie Goldie 9/13/2012 7:36:27 PM Report
All is Well--There was no chance for the teachers to negotiate a Contract with the Provincial Government.
The Teachers can only negotiate with their local School Boards and the Prov. Gov't. set the bar at 0 for the Local Boards as they control how much each Board gets.
What kind of negotiating is that !
The case will go to the Courts and the Province will lose because they violated the Ontario Labour Act.
By losing the Prov. Gov't will end up paying far more than if they had negotiated fairly. And when the Gov't. loses who pays ? The Ontario Taxpayers that's who---And the Prov. Gov't will go deeper in debt than they are now.
And the best part of it is that McGuinty knows better but is only trying to show the Ontario people how strong he is and how he stands up against the " Enemy ".
It is McGuinty and his big spending policies that created the debt and now he wants everyone else to pay up his debt.
jean-paul 9/13/2012 7:41:05 PM Report
GRUMP you can still make the mines,you rat.Quack quack.
By your leave 9/13/2012 7:53:06 PM Report
If teachers made less money there would be more of them. Wouldn't that be better for education and the economy?
flyhawk25 9/13/2012 7:57:28 PM Report
The politicians are increasing as their pay increases.
statusquo 9/13/2012 7:59:02 PM Report
With all due respect for teachers but it seems to me they are at odds with any government.(Who can blame them?)
When Bob Rea was the "fuehrer" of the then union darling NDP , the honeymoon did not last long as poor old Bobby had to introduce the dreaded "Rea days" due to a recession and a runaway deficit. That did not go down so well with the public employees and so they turned bitchy and "raggy" and facilitated the rise of supreme moron and alcoholic Mike Harris.
And we all now the rest of the story...let's just say Harris ain't getting any Christmas cards from the teacher's union.
Now it's Mc Guinty's turn to be un-friended on Face Book.....
The truth of the matter is that with the decimating of manufacturing jobs in (not only) Ontario, the private sector has been woefully out of step with wage increases compared to the public sector. The arithmetic (thank you Bill Clinton) problem is that the public sector wages are payed for by the private sector. It's like a catch 22.
But I don't care anymore...my kids are out of school and if I ever need to know anything I can google it or call up rw....there ain't nothing under the sun the guy is not an expert on.....from nuclear fusion to yeast infections...he's the guy!....right rw?...smiley face
statusquo 9/13/2012 8:15:18 PM Report
I found this gem for you....
-Wisenheimer 9/13/2012 10:47:13 AM Report-
"Fly ... big memorial tribute to Neil Armstrong to-day .. Diana Krall singing "Fly me to the Moon". Charlatans all ..eh Fly."
The idiot still hasn't caught on.
He still thinks day light savings time melts the snow quicker.
statusquo 9/13/2012 8:27:58 PM Report
Back to my original "littul" tale....
Once politicians get elected and take office and get a glimpse of the "books" they soon realize that their election rhetoric must be "re worded" to fit reality. The current reality is that we're broke!
In the last three decades the rich have gotten richer, standard of living has taken a hit but on the upside, Walmart added three new isles, "Honey Boo Boo" is a delightful new reality show , the "Arab Spring" is in full bloom (smirk) and "Snooky's" baby is doing great.
statusquo 9/13/2012 8:31:46 PM Report
Speaking of "re-wording"....
Did anyone catch Romney shove a big fat work boot down his throat?
...Priceless!!!....and this guy wants to be Commander in Chief.
I think he is a "Mormon" alright...sans the second "M".
Sam C 9/13/2012 8:32:35 PM Report
mvnnth... my point about "job action" is that teachers CANNOT take any job action, the way workers in the private sector would. The only recourse they now have is to withdraw from extra-curricular activities.
flyhawk25 9/13/2012 8:44:33 PM Report
SQ...thank heavens that your voice of insanity has hit this site.
I was laughing so hard that I almost dropped my tea cup into my vegan dip.
But please...there is no need for you to pimp for Wisendumber.
I knew exactly where that was going and I chose not to try to teach one more pig to fly.
mallet 9/13/2012 8:44:50 PM Report
Jesus H.. Was it that long ago? That just shows that "tempus fugit" that also means I am getting older! I really did forget about the common market as the E U used to be called. You are correct it was Edward Heath who took Britian into the then EEC. I had already left when all this happened and was busy trying to make a new life for ourselves here in Canada, and of course there was only the snail mail and the telephone to keep abreast of things happening 4500 miles away. Marvelous what the internet can do for one. I think that I will agree with you on the eventual withdrawal of the UK from the EU (one way or the other), as they have never fully embraced the way things are done, keeping the pound rather than the Euro.
statusquo 9/13/2012 9:10:27 PM Report
And now for something completely different...
The American news channels are abuzz with "News" from the anti-American sentiment and turmoil in North Africa and the Middle East.
From what we're being fed it's a direct result of some moronic, Christian fundamentalist group that has created an abysmal movie, ridiculing the Prophet Muhammad.
That is fine by me, as all religions should be properly ridiculed on a daily basis.
Having said that..that is not the point.
The attacks on the American embassy happened on September 11. I think that is more than a "coinkydink".
This, in my humble opinion was an orchestrated, planned attack by radical militants in a country(Libya) that recently got "liberated"( notice the quotation marks) from an oppressive tyrant. A tyrant that was once a foe, then a friend of the West. Like Mubarak before him and Saddam Hussein before him. The U.S has a tendency to prop up despots and then tear them down when they stop singing their tune. I can go back to Iran in the fifties when, with the aid of the CIA, the Shah re gained power and a democratically elected president, Mosaddegh, was deposed in a U.S supported coup, (Operation Ajax) with the collaboration of British Petroleum.
Same in Afghanistan, when the Mujaheddin were trained and armed by the U.S to fight the Soviets.
But that is the price we all have to pay for imperialism and cheap oil.
We can't bake a cake and eat it...or so the saying goes.
History will collect it's dues...even if it takes decades.
I am frothing at the consequences and awaiting a monosyllabic grunt from steelworker followed by a puerile 48% whine from blueshitter.
Bobby Nerves 9/13/2012 9:42:33 PM Report
Status, no matter what the people socking the holy right underwear of Romney may intend to represent... or they represent for themselves; the fact is, Holy Underpants Romney is five to ten points behind Obama.
And as of today, Obama is a Statesman when compared to Romney. Obama "is the President of the United States of America" while Romney is, till now, no more and no less than a Mormon voodoo medicine man.
I have some advise for bishop Romney -but the chances of this guy paying attention to my advise are very slim, nevertheless, I should mention it- I suggest he start using the holy underpants on top of his pants... sort of Superman... it may work. Who knows?
Our leader, The Pope, will visit Lebanon, the only Christian Country in the middle East... till now!
And Putin said... Well, the attack to the embassies was foreseeable. Not for Romney, or course, he has to pretend.
Nope, blaming the mossad will not work this time... they are far more creative... search in the very guts of the republican hawks... buch... buch... buchanan?
mvnnth 9/13/2012 9:43:12 PM Report
Sam C 9/13/2012 8:32:35 PM Report
mvnnth... my point about "job action" is that teachers CANNOT take any job action, the way workers in the private sector would. The only recourse they now have is to withdraw from extra-curricular activities.
And my point is that they have no business withdrawing from extra-curricular activities as that isn't part of their "job". If they want to take a "job action" they have to find another way.
statusquo 9/13/2012 9:50:45 PM Report
Buenas Tardes Bobby,
Where have you been hiding?
Ain't our boy Romney just keen? He reminds me of Sarah Palin with a slightly more advanced vocabulary.
Or a "steelworker" without a slurred speech impediment.
Jimssm 9/13/2012 10:00:20 PM Report
I am not understanding you. What 'other means' do they have ?
They cannot strike. All they can do is 'work to rule' which means withdrawing any services (extracurricular) that they are not required to do as part of their job contract.
statusquo 9/13/2012 10:34:46 PM Report
In my limited view,
public service compensation wages and benefits are a tad out of sinc compared to the private sector.(in most cases). Private businesses are at a further disadvantage since they have to compete in pricing . The public sector (for the most part) has a monopoly and there is no real competition. There is no Walmart (as of yet in education or nursing..thank God for that!).
We are not another Greece (yet).
We are currently borrowing 15 Billion just to stay afloat. That is a lot of zeroes.
Insufficient tax revenue brought about by a manufacturing decline due to a high dollar and a global recession cannot sustain the status quo.
As far as solutions...I have none!
Christina216 9/13/2012 10:43:39 PM Report
All and all it's the kids that are paying for this. I thought when people volunteer they do it because they want to, they love the sport, they love the kids or all of the above.
mvnnth 9/13/2012 11:04:17 PM Report
I'm not a union strategist so I don't know what other means they have at hand. My point is that the teachers move to quit volunteering is not within the scope of their "job". That's a separate deal and should not be a part of any dispute they may have with their employer.
I'm not sure that these extra-curricular programs are being properly served by having teachers involved in any capacity. As I said earlier the teachers aren't acting as "volunteers" and, in this light, the after hours programs should be reviewed.
Pink Peony 9/14/2012 2:51:28 AM Report
All public sector employees are getting or have gotten their wages frozen. Why should teachers be exempt. This is about reducing the deficit, which will benefit all.
McGuinty tried to work with the teachers and asked them to take a 2 year wage freeze along with limiting their sick days and to stop banking them (banking sick days is ludicrous). Teachers refused. So he took the hard line. I see nothing but greed on the teachers part.
This is from back in March.