Grace 9/12/2012 6:39:27 AM Report
I wonder what the responce from the One will be to this attack? http://news.yahoo.com/u-ambassador-libya-three-staff-killed-rocket-attack-091505030.html
Will military action raise his poll numbers?
Grump 9/12/2012 6:48:32 AM Report
Good morning everyone, I enjoyed the posts from last evening. Poor rw is still trying to get a consult set up with Rush as he is feeling LEFT out. Can always count on Stats and Shaky to provide some bright fun. That said we can also count on Steelworker to lower the tone further than a snake's butt in a 90 foot well. Have a great day everyone and I'll try to get by to see you today Stats.
Jimssm 9/12/2012 6:57:07 AM Report
I am not sure who you expect Obama to 'take military action' against.
These were out of control protesters and the gov't of Libya (now friendly to the USA) has condemned the attack.
I expect any action to be taken 'quietly', if you get my drift. That seems his way.
Grump 9/12/2012 7:00:08 AM Report
Grace I didn't see that artical on the yahoo site but there is an article about Bush being told of the 9/11 attack as early as May 1st that year. Good Lord what incompetence. Well the neo-con excuse makers will have to consult with Rush on this one. That report has been published and I haven't heard of any denials or law suits as yet. LMAO
Grace 9/12/2012 7:30:14 AM Report
Grump just for fun let's keep focus on events happening right now.
Protesters with rockets?? Ummm..rockets.
Oh and if the military had nothing to do with it! ROCKETS!!
I've seen the Bush video in 2001...I'm pretty sure his stunned reaction mirrored the disbelief that all of us.Get over it..
Let's see how the One handles this attack. After all he did give the order to kill Bin Lauden..
Grace 9/12/2012 7:37:37 AM Report
Friend or Foe: Does the Obama administration know the difference?
Jimssm 9/12/2012 7:51:25 AM Report
Rocket propelled grenades...not rockets.
They're a dime a dozen over there.
Grace 9/12/2012 8:03:20 AM Report
Sold in every corner store?
JerryLundegard 9/12/2012 8:05:16 AM Report
It's not odd to find an RPG in an average Americans home protection arsenal.
Ya, the Bush Admin let 9/11 happen on purpose...get over it!......
right wing 9/12/2012 8:09:48 AM Report
Is is not a blast to play amongst the little people in the land of Oz.
Keep dropping those little crumbs and watch the conspiracy theories grow.
flyhawk25 9/12/2012 8:20:52 AM Report
Perhaps the tragic events in Libya will be a perfect impetus for Mitt to get out his old wall map and figure out where Libya is and whether or not military action is necessary.
I'm pretty sure he knows that the US does have a military even if he never talks about it.
right wing 9/12/2012 8:49:54 AM Report
Read through yesterday evenings archives, boy the lefty's love me, can't stop taking about me.
I'm so flattered.
Grace 9/12/2012 8:50:06 AM Report
right wing 9/12/2012 8:51:38 AM Report
Come time for the debates we'll see just who is the educated one.
The one term wonder is falling down.
Grace 9/12/2012 8:53:42 AM Report
Jerry maybe it wasn't protesters but special Obie opps getting the party started!
RLE 9/12/2012 8:55:22 AM Report
Yeah you and Grace keep dropping little crumbs cuz that's all ya got
Two crummy people dropping little crumbs.
By the way. right wing, nobody was "taking" about you cuz you aint got nothing worth taking
right wing 9/12/2012 8:56:40 AM Report
Hey good point Grace, Obama knows he has a zero platform to stand on so he starts a little war.
Oh the arrogance, sending special ops into any country he likes to kill people.
right wing 9/12/2012 8:57:35 AM Report
Now you see another huge fan.
RLE...I'm feeling the love.
Crumbs to you to.....
Right Winger 9/12/2012 9:04:37 AM Report
Ask any Dem how jobs have been created (in the private sector) due to any Obama policy. Then wait for deafening silence.
right wing 9/12/2012 9:05:15 AM Report
I was going to put a link to this one but I just knew that the lefty's would not want to miss this so I posted it in it's entirety.
Paul Gregory - Forbes Magazine
Thursday, September 6, 2012
Fibbing With GM Job Creation Statistics, Bill Clinton Edition
From Bill Clinton‘s Democratic National Convention speech, September 5, 2012
“Now there are 250,000 more people working in the auto industry than the day the companies were restructured. Governor Romney opposed the plan to save GM and Chrysler. So here’s another jobs score: Obama two hundred and fifty thousand, Romney, zero.” Wild applause.
Clinton attributes the 250,000 new jobs created to domestic and foreign auto manufacturers, parts suppliers, and dealers located in the United States to the Obama-directed bankruptcy of General Motors. Without the President’s bold and decisive action, these quarter million new jobs would not exist, and U.S. manufacturing would not have been “saved.”
Clinton gets his figures from the Bureau of Labor Statistics, which shows that U.S. auto manufacturers (both domestic and foreign owned) employed 624,400 at the time of the bankruptcy (June 2009) and now employ 789,500 — an increase of 165,100 jobs. Auto dealers employed 1,009,700 in June 2009 and 1,081,200 today — a gain of 71,500 jobs. The two gains add up to 236,600 jobs (Clinton’s 250,000).
Sorry, President Clinton. There is no way you can you attribute the 236,600 job gain to the General Motors bailout. According to the carmaker’s annual report, GM North America employed 70,000 in the United States in June of 2009 (the rest were in Canada and Mexico) and 74,500 today, for a net gain of 4,500 jobs. Of the auto manufacturing job increases, GM accounts for only two percent.
Posters note: I did not recite this from memory, yes I GOOGLED it, copied and pasted it...the things I do for the good of my ill-informed leftist "friends".
Grace 9/12/2012 9:05:27 AM Report
RW I'm thinking RLE has a problem.
Kind of a pent up rage sort of thing especially noticable when the name calling begins. Was it because RLE was potty trained too early?
What do you think?
right wing 9/12/2012 9:09:42 AM Report
Habitual thumb sucker.
right wing 9/12/2012 9:12:49 AM Report
Time for our history snip-it.
(google, copy and paste to the lefty's)
“Democrats are unwavering in our support of equal opportunity for all Americans. That’s why we’ve worked to pass every one of our nation’s Civil Rights laws… On every civil rights issue, Democrats have led the fight.”
January 26, 1922
House passes bill authored by U.S. Rep. Leonidas Dyer (R-MO) making lynching a federal crime; Senate Democrats block it with filibuster.
Now note you bunch of whiners from yesterday, we are already up to 1922.
Grace 9/12/2012 9:15:52 AM Report
right wing 9/12/2012 9:20:00 AM Report
Facts about leftists.
Fact: Leftists hate the internet because it is so easy and quick to find facts that dispute their convoluted reality.
They do not see it as the nifty handy resource that it is.
They hate googling, coping and pasting of facts and will use these very words in the form of an accusation as if you had broken some law.
More facts tomorrow.
You all play nice now.
Grace 9/12/2012 9:24:45 AM Report
RLE..that's your come back?? Just about as good as the One's responce to Lybia!
..WASHINGTON - President Barack Obama has condemned attacks that killed the U.S. ambassador to Libya and three American members of his staff.
In a statement, Obama said he had ordered "all necessary resources to support the security of our personnel in Libya, and to increase security at our diplomatic posts around the globe."
The attacks occurred Tuesday night in the eastern city of Benghazi by protesters angry over a film that ridiculed Islam's Prophet Muhammad, according to Libya officials. Ambassador Chris Stevens was killed when he and a group of embassy employees went to the consulate to try to evacuate staff as the building came under attack by a mob guns and rocket propelled grenades.
Obama said: "I strongly condemn the outrageous attack on our diplomatic facility in Benghazi." The four Americans "exemplified America's commitment to freedom, justice, and partnership with nations and people around the globe," he said.
Pink Peony 9/12/2012 9:25:33 AM Report
Ohhhh yuck!! The stench of arrogance in here!! The smell should die down a bit now.
Right Winger 9/12/2012 9:43:00 AM Report
How is Obama care going to help the economy? How is his desire form more union members going to help the economy? Its not
RLE 9/12/2012 9:44:21 AM Report
Since reasonable,sane people would regard Obama's response as perfect, I thank you for the compliment.
By the way please note the correct spelling of "response"
Wheels17 9/12/2012 9:47:54 AM Report
I totally agree with Pink Peony. There always seems to be a big fight going on. Enough is enough guys and gals. Let's act like grown people here.
flyhawk25 9/12/2012 9:53:12 AM Report
Those ramblings from the right that you're reading - no alliteration intended, it's a natural gift - are just a death rattle.
They are the neo-con equivalent of one last gasp before the inevitable Obama victory.
Then we'll be treated to a few months of how dumb Americans are for re-electing a guy who isn't perfect but puts the common good ahead of the corporate good.
There will be more silly labels, more Goggle cut and paste and then they'll go back into their caves to plot a new plan to allow the enlightened few to rule the many.
Just like gall stone attacks or an in-law visit. This too shall pass.
right wing 9/12/2012 9:53:40 AM Report
I was correct, RLE has an oral affliction.
T-rat 9/12/2012 11:12:13 AM Report
Wow Grace. Your sensitivity and compassion toward the tragic and senseless death of the American ambassador to Libya and three of his staff is just too much. You're more concerned that Obama's response wasn't more Romney-esque....or Bush-ish,like maybe an all-out, nuclear, retaliatory attack. Perhaps you should be more concerned that the tragedy is the result of a hate-inspired movie made by an admitted Israeli-American Jew. And just what has his $5 million movie accomplished except to instil even more hatred, hostility and intolerance?
Take off the blinders Gracie. You too Right Wing. You just might get a glimpse of reality!
RLE 9/12/2012 11:14:04 AM Report
You're the one that keeps talking about sucking and oral, Almost sounds like you're trying to get Grace excited.
Brianne 9/12/2012 11:31:51 AM Report
QUestion for someone who knows the legalities of billing for services.
A relatively new neighbour has been trying to get to the bottom of her puc bill. It shows the amount billed, but when she makes payment only a portion of it goes to the bill...... apparently, after attending at their office with her, they stated that a portion of the bill goes toward a deposit required ( I think they said $350 deposit) Now here's the question: should the portion of the deposit not be stated on the bill......... they are billing say $60 a month for usage and that's all it states, so she pays $60 and only part of it, less than half goes towards the usage, thus putting her behind in payments. How can they charge for something that is not listed on the bill as an expense that is required to pay?
WHen talking to the person at the payment counter, she couldn't even explain it, and said," I don't know what they do upstairs" all the while rolling her eyes.
theprotector 9/12/2012 11:43:16 AM Report
they would have advised her that a downpayment was required when she opened the account, if she cannot afford the downpayment (security) then they would inform her that a portion of the bill will be applied to the security or outstanding previous balance.
Pink Peony 9/12/2012 11:46:00 AM Report
Brianne, all I can say is speak to a supervisor. I called because my water/sewage charges were much higher due to their instructions to "run the water", "flush the toilet more" during the stinky and brown water time. I wanted a credit. I was getting nowhere with the person that answers the phone and told them I wanted to speak to a supervisor. The supervisor was reasonable enough and she did give me a credit, not a complete credit, but a credit none-the-less.
Pink Peony 9/12/2012 11:53:55 AM Report
Sorry Brianne, didn't read it clearly. (I get a little up in arms when it comes to the PUC, lol) I think it should be clear on the bills about all charges and where her payments are going to.
asIseeit 9/12/2012 11:56:38 AM Report
Obama is ahead in the polls and Mitt is down in the polls.
learningaswego 9/12/2012 11:58:30 AM Report
Well OF COURSE Obie Hope and Changey will get elected.
The USA is so far down the crapper now, that more voters are receivers of taxpayer largesse, than are contributors.
This is exactly the situation that the socialist-leftist elites hope for, because they just have to promise the receivers of taxpayer largesse that they will give them even more. We saw several of the geniuses that vote for Obie on tv the other day, saying - with complete seriousness, that corporate profits should be against the law.
Poor friggin' America.
Grace 9/12/2012 11:59:08 AM Report
T Rat ..not even close. Just curious have you seen this hate ridden movie or just going with the flow?
Always Bush was critisized for his reaction on 911 to a crisis of biblical proportions...unimaginable by anyone in the civilized world.
I just want to compare how the One eacts when an attack of a foriegn nation on an American embacy killing the ambasador and his staff. An attack was an attack! Over a freakin movie that not one person in the crowd of attackers has even seen? Don't sugar coat it!
Grace 9/12/2012 12:01:35 PM Report
That's right I said BIBLICAL!!
Brianne 9/12/2012 12:02:13 PM Report
Yes, "the protector" they did inform her that however the point i'm trying to make is.......... the deposit portion is NOT listed on the bill. DO they have a legal right to charge the deposit if it is NOT listed on the bill...
Grump 9/12/2012 12:08:12 PM Report
Grace I realy feel bad for you. I thought you were bright enough to not drink any more of that kool-aid
Pink Peony 9/12/2012 12:10:03 PM Report
Brianne, has she received a second bill yet? If so, and it doesn't state that a certain amount was put towards her deposit and what the balance of her deposit owing is...then, in my opinion, that's wrong. Do they legally have to do it that way? I don't know but it's something I would speak to a supervisor about.
Grace 9/12/2012 12:15:29 PM Report
Grump good one! lol
All in good sport!
Grump 9/12/2012 12:19:33 PM Report
Grace You have to know that these folks are about four blocks father out in right field than any of the most extreme Tea Party members. The have been taught that killing someone for insulting Islam or Mohamed (real or percieved) is their honour bound duty. So far they have almost completely over run Europe and I fail to understand why in the hell we keep letting them in here.
Grace 9/12/2012 12:23:44 PM Report
Speaking at an impromptu press conference in Jacksonville, Fla., on Wednesday, Mitt Romney condemned Tuesday's attacks as "disgusting" and "outrageous," but he also attacked the Obama administration for standing by a statement issued by the U.S. Embassy in Cairo that he claimed was an "apology" for American values.
Late Tuesday, Romney issued a statement saying it was "disgraceful that the Obama administration's first response was not to condemn attacks on our diplomatic missions but to sympathize with those who waged the attacks." On Wednesday, he stood by his criticism of the White House.
"It's a terrible course for America to stand in apology for our values," Romney told reporters. "It's never too early for the U.S. government to condemn attacks on Americans and defend our values. ... When our grounds are being attacked, being breached, the first response of the United States must be outrage."
Grace 9/12/2012 12:26:18 PM Report
In response to the attack, the United States is "deploying elite Marine counterterrorism teams to Libya," Foreign Policy reports. "The Pentagon is sending Fleet Anti-Terrorism Teams, known as FAST teams, a U.S. defense official has confirmed."
So the One has a little Bush in him after all!
Okay is this the righ or wrong thing to do?
Brianne 9/12/2012 12:29:08 PM Report
Yes Pink, she's had several bills ( 5/6 not sure) and on no where on any of those bills does it show money going towards a deposit.
Say she was billed $60, she paid $60, has a receipt for $60, but the next bill shows only $25 actually put towards the usage, and no where does it state that any money went to a "deposit" nor does it show any information of there being a deposit and how much is left owing on the deposit.
I really don't think they can charge you for something that they haven't put in writing as being owing on that bill.
I'm going to call there and see what they say.
flyhawk25 9/12/2012 12:30:44 PM Report
So the silly people are finally admitting that Romney is in trouble because - get this - the average American is an idiot.
So their theory is that these folks will get what they deserve and not the 'enlightened view of the right'.
You know who that is - Rush, Hannity and all of the candidates in the GOP clown car.
And to add to the insanity some are even being critical of this President's response to the embassy attack in Libya.
Wait a few weeks and they'll blame him for the next weather event.
I don't know if I missed it but has anyone heard from the last Republican president lately?
How about the last Democratic one?
You couldn't make this stuff up...
debo 9/12/2012 12:48:07 PM Report
I see from another news source that the family of Matt Howard is continuing their struggle to get the justice they seek and deserve. Unfortunately, they are unlikely to succeed, as the process seems to be heavily tilted in favour of protecting police officials and absolving them of any responsibility.
I hope at some point they get a measure of justice but I think it's a faint hope.
T-rat 9/12/2012 12:53:32 PM Report
No Grace. I have not see the movie, nor do I intend to. I'm not even going to view the 13 minute 'trailer' of the movie that was shown on You Tube and which caused the tragic, deadly and predictable response by the Muslim faithful and fanatics alike. This idiot who financed and produced this piece of cinematic vitriol was told what would happen when it became public. He's now in hiding.
"Going with the flow?" Sorry but I don't know what you mean. I take it from that that you aren't going with the flow. Probably just treading water as usual and going nowhere. Interesting claim you make that no one person in this crowd of attackers has even seen the movie. Is this another example of the 'facts' as you see them or did you verify this with Wolf Blitzer and FOX News? Even Muslims have access to You Tube.
learningaswego 9/12/2012 1:04:01 PM Report
no, no ....haven't you been paying attention; get with program.......
- bad weather events
- climate change
- poverty and starvation in Africa
- unrest in the middle east
- the Leafs constantly suck.....
are all STEPHEN HARPER's fault.
Just ask Tommy Boy Mulcair, Olivia Chow, Boob Rae, or any of the leftist-loving, Harper-hating Canadian media (or of course, the spirit of the Great St. Jack)
Obie Hope and Changey can do wrong. But, when you do nothing, you can avoid doing no wrong. I guess.
steelworker 9/12/2012 1:10:52 PM Report
Obamas response to the murder of diplomats in Libya? Why lets all go to a fundraiser for Jay-Z and Beyonce. What a tool.
All Is Well 9/12/2012 1:23:18 PM Report
Neo-cons having a bad day? Get the insults out and throw them out there and see where they stick? Thanks for the laughs, o ye great tappers of the key board.
learningaswego 9/12/2012 1:36:10 PM Report
No worries, my leftist cyber friends.
Your "boy" Obie is a slam dunk to win.
When he does, let him know, will 'ya; if you can find him.
Try the golf course, vacation spots in Hawaii, any late night talk show, or maybe glamming it up with the Hollywood crowd - you know, the other "cool" people.
Oh, you could also try the next Nobel Prize award ceremony - Not the one for science, literature, economics, etc, ...the one for doing nothing; he could be found there.
Do NOT look for him anywhere which would require taking on the dire challenges of America; for you will be sadly disappointed.
Poor friggin' America.
steelworker 9/12/2012 1:50:00 PM Report
The Partier-in-Chief of the United States of Islam.
flyhawk25 9/12/2012 2:23:08 PM Report
Piling on! You guys just amuse the hell out of each other.It looks like everybody skipped school on the same day and all your mum's must be shopping at Wal-Mart or at bingo.
Credible arguments? Nah. Just keep banging on that drum.
Here's an example.
'Obama is never at work'. A little research will show you that this President has been away less than every Republican since before Eisenhower.
I could cite more examples but why bother?
In a few months it will be over. If BHO is as tough as I think he can be he'll start picking off the weakest and dumbest of the GOP pretenders to the throne.
Finding the weakest will be easy. The dumbest might take more time.
Too many to choose from.
steelworker 9/12/2012 2:39:48 PM Report
Over 600 hrs. of golf versus 400 hrs. at meetings on the economy. TCB baby.
flyhawk25 9/12/2012 2:52:35 PM Report
asIseeit 9/12/2012 2:57:47 PM Report
steelworker you really make me laugh when you make up stories. Please refrain from being a sheeple and get your facts straight.
All Is Well 9/12/2012 3:22:11 PM Report
They can't get the facts straight. Besides, what do facts matter in an election campaign? Even when the Republicans speak the truth, they speak with forked tongue. At the Republican Convention, McCain said that Obama wants to cut $500 B from Defense. What he didn't say was that the $500 B was what the Republicans imposed, in their form of extortion, to raise the debt ceiling. So was it Obama or the Republicans, that wants to cut defense spending? If it was the Republicans, then why are they now talking of increasing defense spending?
asIseeit 9/12/2012 3:31:20 PM Report
steelworker just likes his name on the marquee.
Pink Peony 9/12/2012 4:13:29 PM Report
debo, that whole case wreaked of corruption and it was so obvious. I don't know how they could do that and get away with it. I hope Matt's mother gets some justice too. She's a strong woman to keep pushing!
Grace 9/12/2012 4:31:27 PM Report
"No Grace. I have not see the movie, nor do I intend to. I'm not even going to view the 13 minute 'trailer' of the movie that was shown on You Tube"
Ahh the head in the sand aproach....keeps the sun off the top of your head!
"which caused the tragic, deadly and predictable response by the Muslim faithful and fanatics alike"
Umm...kinda sounds just a tad racist..using such a broad brush!
"This idiot who financed and produced this piece of cinematic vitriol was told what would happen when it became public. He's now in hiding."
Okay let me get this straight..you won't watch even the trailer but somehow with your head deep in the ground you have ctitiqed the movie...interesting...hmmm
"Going with the flow?"
Your head in the sand and all!
"Sorry but I don't know what you mean"
I guess you wouldn't due to the lack of oxygen and having your butt sticking up in the air like you do!
"I take it from that that you aren't going with the flow. Probably just treading water as usual and going nowhere"
Just sitting in the hot tub enjoying the jets!
"Interesting claim you make that no one person in this crowd of attackers has even seen the movie"
Well if you didn't ...why would they??
Is this another example of the 'facts' as you see them or did you verify this with Wolf Blitzer and FOX News?
Nope CNN actually...
And your most racial slander ...
"Even Muslims have access to You Tube"
All Is Well 9/12/2012 4:35:01 PM Report
Did you miss the "E" or a "K"?
Grump 9/12/2012 4:47:21 PM Report
Learning as we go you sound a lot like rw but the difference is while he might scrape the bottom of the barrel for them he checks his facts. Your last post was pure BS opinion with no value in truth or entertainment. But please carry on you may entertain someone.
Grace 9/12/2012 4:48:55 PM Report
Yes I did..I just want to see if I can make Spelly's top ten again this weekend!
BIG BROTHER 9/12/2012 5:00:44 PM Report
They're getting wild-eyed and frothy-mouthed. They witnessed the same thing we all did; Clinton's speech at the DNC and Clint's speech at the RNC. Two different leagues of ability to speak to the issues.
They are also aware that Dubya, Cheney, Rumsfeld McCain, Sarah and the rest of their band of merry-makers were conspicuously absent for the GOP show. Word is, they are all in the witness protection program. Too embarrassing to showcase their past. And ultimately, the ONE is gonna be around for another 4 years.
Grump 9/12/2012 5:03:03 PM Report
Well you folks can demean Obama by comparing him to the great G.W. who doesn't seem to be showing his face. In his book George Sr. said there was no point in going into Baghdad because they couldn't govern it. Guess where the moron offspring went? The difference is G.W. sent a full army in to pick up sheep crap where Obama sends in a small team to cull the nuggets. I'll await the neo-con attemped defense. LMAO.
Grump 9/12/2012 5:08:02 PM Report
Big Brother they do seem to be running out of even lame excuses. When they get Steelworker as head cheer leader you know it's just about over for them. Bye, bye Mitt.
BIG BROTHER 9/12/2012 5:25:16 PM Report
'I expect any action to be taken 'quietly', if you get my drift. That seems his way.'
They are not used to a quietly effective leader. A big mouth, blow hard, draft dodging bully is what seems to turn their crank.
Obama is more effective in his sleep than Dubya ever was, wide awake!! He's still trying to figure out the 'fool me once' line. Sitting in his rockin' chair, at the Texas ranch, talking to himself...'fool me and twice...um...I'm a fool...ummmm...once I'm a fool...ummm. Laura, how's that go agin??? Hahaha, can't quite seem ta git it."
mallet 9/12/2012 5:38:41 PM Report
Maybe the U S the U K and others should have left Ghadafi alone and let him sort out the Islamic fanatics, same in Egypt and also stop interferring in Syria. Maybe these people are/were dictators but they sure were not bothering anyone else, only their own people. Why we have to try and make all the other countries democratic when that system does not work for them I do not know. As the old saying goes " The pathway to hell is paved with good intentions" too bad our politicians do not seem to understand that..
Grace 9/12/2012 5:49:57 PM Report
Harper named 'World Statesman of the Year'
Wow how about That!
steelworker 9/12/2012 6:06:48 PM Report
Please stand by for some foaming and frothing from the left.
flyhawk25 9/12/2012 6:07:06 PM Report
Gracie...how about what?
You are running out of neo-con heroes with nice hair when you switch over to Bush Lite -the Canadian edition.
shakespeare 9/12/2012 6:09:58 PM Report
Here's a right wing Canadian journal citing influential right wing Americans complaining about their right wing saviour.
Could it be that the bottom is falling out of Romney's campaign. I wonder how he'll handle the debates.
JerryLundegard 9/12/2012 6:12:53 PM Report
Junior Bush did nothing. His advisors made the decisions. You should blame them. He just played village idiot for the cameras, and it worked like a charm...Presidents are just the "face" of the nation.
Do some research on his first cabinet if you wanna see real "neo-cons"....the thought that the "neo-cons" in here think they are in the same league as real ultra- cons, is comical too me. Quit giving them so much credit! ;) LOL....( I'm hip and with it too!)
Jimssm 9/12/2012 6:15:29 PM Report
When I was in the military I worked in a somewhat similar capacity to the types that Obama is about to send over (actually they were probably already there)
"Shock and Awe" as used by Bush was strictly for domestic consumption. The precision surgery used by Obama is much more effective it just isn't as satisfying for the neo-con military types. It also doesn't generate the same revenue for the military suppliers.
right wing 9/12/2012 6:35:13 PM Report
Cooking for the special ops is a somewhat similar capacity?
Grump 9/12/2012 6:42:26 PM Report
Mallet I have to agree with you. The old saying that " You can't make a silk purse out of a sow's ear" was never truer than trying to bring democracy to the Arab world. You can't bring peace to those who don't want it.
Grump 9/12/2012 6:54:34 PM Report
While I was in Saudi I knocked around with a bunch of American as there were not all that many Canadians there. One of these fellows was ex special forces and while he never spoke about it you just knew he had done some bad things. He drank a little much at a party one night and got talking about dealing with some of these sorts. He said that for the most part Westeners were not able to cope with with many of the third world types that required attention. He went on to say that it was a damn good thing that the Brits and the French had troups that could as they were trained to handle it.
shakespeare 9/12/2012 7:00:31 PM Report
Dammit! Don't say we're going to revisit Mallet's multifunctional welding machine!
Much more fun than waterboarding, I believe, rw!
right wing 9/12/2012 7:00:35 PM Report
Top Congressional Democrats Complain OBAMA IS NOT A LEADER!
Here's a left wing pack of influential left wing American democrats about their left wing savior.
Could it be that the bottom is falling out of Obama's campaign. I wonder how he'll handle the debates.
(tinyyurl is so much easier and I spelled savior correct also, it's all that googling and cutting and pasting practice)
shakespeare 9/12/2012 7:06:34 PM Report
Actually. rw, I spelled saviour correctly. You spelled it the American way, just as they spell night, nite. Never mind. Nice try!
P.S. When, you mean also, you spell it "too", not "to".
shakespeare 9/12/2012 7:12:05 PM Report
P.S. rw. Did you notice the date of your in-depth, hearsay offering. It was over a year ago. Now I know you love the historical lessons and it certainly isn't offering random facts from a hundred years ago, but you do need to be more in touch with the present!
shakespeare 9/12/2012 7:17:55 PM Report
Third Point: I know you righties are fond of your tinyurls. I have used them and find them to be a waste of time. It's much quicker to block the whole thing. For me tinyurls are for tiny ....
BIG BROTHER 9/12/2012 7:17:55 PM Report
You should have started your 'should haves' with Dubya. Iraq was not loaded up with WMD, nor were they loaded up with terrorists. Taking out Saddam left a huge vacuum for whoever the next flavour of dictator wanted to step in.
Meanwhile, trillions of dollars later and thousands of lives, including American soldiers, lost because Dubya couldn't figure out where Afghanistan was; or Saudi Arabia for that matter.
Grump 9/12/2012 7:20:23 PM Report
Shaky I was just about to post "where is Status when you need him" and then it dawned on me that rw is a whipped pup and adding Status would be overkill and certainly un-sportsmanlike. In the meantine please carry on LMAO
right wing 9/12/2012 7:20:46 PM Report
I found some accomplishments that Obama can actually take credit for.
In my "googling" I came across some roses that Obama truly is responsible for.
I "cut and pasted them", but I shortened them up.
Obama the one hit wonder.
1. He killed Osama bin Laden, for sure.
(well he didn't really but he likes to make it sound that way)
2. Most deportations. Despite his endorsement of the DREAM Act, President Obama has deported more illegal immigrants than any president in history. He's been deporting about 400,000 people a year, about double the number in the George W. Bush administration.
(he did keep his maid and groundskeeper)
3. Most leaks prosecutions. The Obama administration has been criticized for leaking classified information in a series of campaigns to portray the president as a tough, engaged commander-in-chief. But meanwhile the administration information has used the 1917 Espionage Act to target suspected leakers in twice as many cases as all previous presidential administrations combined.
4. Most troops in Afghanistan. The United States had about 30,000 troops in Afghanistan during 2008, the last year of President Bush's term. By the end of 2010, President Obama had increased that number to almost 100,000. It's down to about 88,000 now, which still might surprise people who recall candidate Obama's ringing antiwar speeches of 2008.
5. Most medical marijuana raids. In March 2009 Attorney General Eric Holder said that the Justice Department would end the Bush administration policy of raiding medical marijuana distributors that violated federal statutes as long as the dispensaries appeared to be complying with state laws. Beginning later that year, however, as Lucia Graves reported at The Huffington Post,
"The administration has unleashed an interagency cannabis crackdown that goes beyond anything seen under the Bush administration, with more than 100 raids, primarily on California pot dispensaries, many of them operating in full compliance with state laws. Since October 2009, the Justice Department has conducted more than 170 aggressive SWAT-style raids in 9 medical marijuana states, resulting in at least 61 federal indictments."
Federal agents have seized property of landlords who rent space to medical marijuana dispensaries and have threatened to prosecute state employees who carry out state laws on medical marijuana.
(I though Obama admitted inhaling but sidestepped the cocaine as he didn't like the dealer)
6. Most drone strikes. President Obama doesn't like the way the Bush administration treated prisoners at Guantanamo, so he's taking fewer prisoners. The Obama administration has carried out at least 308 covert drone strikes in Pakistan, more than five times the 44 approved under Bush.
(of course he would not have drones if not for Republican policies)
7. Most fundraisers. All presidents spend a lot of their time fundraising. But President Obama leads the league. Political scientist Brendan J. Doherty, author of the new book The Rise of the President's Permanent Campaign, reports that Obama had held 104 fundraisers by March 6, compared to 94 held by Presidents Jimmy Carter, Ronald Reagan, George Bush, Bill Clinton and George W. Bush combined. CBS News White House correspondent Mark Knoller noted that by June 12 Obama had done 160 re-election fundraisers, twice as many as Bush by the same point in 2004.
Obama may be hoping to achieve the distinction of being the president reelected with the highest unemployment rate.
Thanks to David Boaz, the executive vice president of the Cato Institute for helping me to cut and paste this in the interest of educating our liberal friends with the truth.
Jimssm 9/12/2012 7:21:04 PM Report
A low blow typical of you.
No I was not a cook, nor was I in any outfit that had time for anything other than MRE.
I did a lot of things overseas which I would rather forget, hence my EX-military status. It's difficult to do things for the country you love that God and your heart tells you is wrong.
Kick any other Vets lately ?
Grump 9/12/2012 7:24:13 PM Report
Big Brother, G.W. knew where Saudi was as they financed a number of his un-sucessfull business ventures. Now why do you suppose they would do that?
flyhawk25 9/12/2012 7:24:49 PM Report
right wing...finally a source.
A voice, as it were, crying in the neo-con wilderness.
Now let me give you one - my Aunt Mary Pat from Youngstown OH. She does tea leave readings and has predicted every winner in a presidential election back to FDR.
I am almost hesitant to admit that my source of American political wisdom is a 93 year old three time chain smoking Democrat who has buried three husbands,two children and probably forty cats. I hope.
I spoke with her last night and I'm pretty sure she said that Obama would wipe the floor with Mittsy.
I can't be sure because she slurs a bit after the happy hour starts at the home.
She may have been referring to her last cat.
Anyway - I'll match your and your gang's sources anytime.
right wing 9/12/2012 7:25:40 PM Report
Brave shakey for recognizing I was targeting you...and you got the American/Canadian spelling also.
Whats the obsession with you lefties on male parts, first RLE, now you...
Yes I noticed the date and I'm sure those that spoke behind closed doors have been shown the Obama way since it went public.
right wing 9/12/2012 7:30:19 PM Report
Kick any other vets?
Never have pal.
So being a cook in the military is below your vision?
My cousin was a cook in the military, funny he told me all you guys had to eat.
My apologies, I thought in a former post you had mentioned cooking in the military.
My father was in WW-2 overseas as many of my Uncles, my Grandfather in WW-1.
Take a moment and exhale.
Grace 9/12/2012 7:30:28 PM Report
Fly..No change just something that took me by surprise. Especially since many on this site crap on the guy on a regular basis.
Sure it's not as woo hoo as the debate between the American left and right but it is still a big deal.
shakespeare 9/12/2012 7:31:10 PM Report
Actually, rw, I wasn't thinking at all of male parts, but more something higher and concealed (often very well concealed) within..., in your case, I better use the term cranium.
Grace 9/12/2012 7:35:12 PM Report
Jimmssm and Grump. I never knew that you two served in the military!
Thank you and God Bless you both.
BIG BROTHER 9/12/2012 7:37:40 PM Report
Forgive him. His palms are getting sweaty; he hasn't blinked since Obama was elected; eyeballs are bulging; froth is oozing out the corners of his mouth. Calling us 'lefties' out for having a friendly 'circle party'. Nothing he'd like better than to join in!!
Jim, you've explained what the so-called hippies were trying to say in the '70's about Vietnam. In a foreign land, killing innocent people for ideology!! Oh, and god someone or other.
Today, Vietnam is a peaceful, beautiful destination for tourists. Oh, and still Communist!
right wing 9/12/2012 7:41:38 PM Report
flyhawk25...finally a source.
A voice, as it were, crying in the socialist wilderness and an admittance of voodoo hocus pocus in your family.
Now let me give you one - my Grandmother from Texas.
She recognizes a pinko traitor in a heart beat and has predicted every failed democratic president back to FDR.
I am not hesitant to admit that my source of American political wisdom is a 105 year old four time chain smoking Republican who has kicked the shit out of any lying democrat that came on her property, threatened a few with her 357.
I spoke with her this morning and I'm positive she said that Obama will have to wipe the floor after he is done peeing on it during debates with "R".
I can be sure because even though she drinks more than a bit, she can shoot the eye out of endangered species from a hundred yards.
Anyway - You and your pansy gang is no match at anytime.
right wing 9/12/2012 7:45:47 PM Report
Question for you.
Does it bother you that although you dubbed yourself "BIG BROTHER", a shout out I suppose, nobody refers to you as such?
right wing 9/12/2012 7:48:16 PM Report
I'm just guessing but Big Bro and Jimssm, you two have posters of Jane Fonda, right.
Jimssm 9/12/2012 7:50:47 PM Report
....you wouldn't want me to take a deep breath and exhale, unless you were a spotter.
shakespeare 9/12/2012 7:51:02 PM Report
BB Interesting (re Vietnam) I was listening to an interview with someone,a professor in Georgia, I think, who was commenting on the often overt racism still down there. He says that for the last years, it has not been publically acceptable to hate someone because of skin colour, so it has become the trend to accuse anyone you don't like of being a Commie (witness the accusations against ML King) (even though the vast majority have no idea what Communism is) or an Islamist. I noticed on here a week or so ago, someone commenting on Obama's Marxist friends. When pressed, I bet none has a clue about Marx or his theories. They are just mindless insults thrown out by people who don't have a clue.
Jimssm 9/12/2012 7:53:51 PM Report
Jane Fonda ?
Yes, I had one...
...in the latrine...down the hole
shakespeare 9/12/2012 7:55:05 PM Report
rw: you are batting at zero tonight. If I were you I would leave, accept that you had a humiliating evening and hope (probably, in vain) for better things tomorrow, but I expect you'll be back with more deflections.
right wing 9/12/2012 7:58:38 PM Report
I'd take your advice if I valued your opinion, if.
Jimssm 9/12/2012 7:59:22 PM Report
I can't speak for Grump, but I don't think God approved of anything I did while serving.
I try to make up for it with present actions, but I will have to wait to see if the promises of forgiveness are true.
right wing 9/12/2012 8:01:46 PM Report
Glad to hear that, it's where it belonged.
I get the spotter.
I've done my fair share of shooting.
Had to learn the breathing techniques and squeezing not pulling.
right wing 9/12/2012 8:03:26 PM Report
Don't be mentioning the word God around some of our resident atheist.
They attack on the mention of God or a Bible.
Grace 9/12/2012 8:06:41 PM Report
Jimssm, Glad you are here.
Jimssm 9/12/2012 8:23:29 PM Report
I don't think most of the lefties around here challenge God.
..but they may challenge the constant use of God by the righteous right for their own purposes, which usually don't have anything with His purpose.
Do you ever wonder why the most religious societies are also the most violent and war-loving ?
Think about it.
shakespeare 9/12/2012 8:32:19 PM Report
I hate myself for doing this, but Jimssm, instead of "Think about it", try "Google about it", when talking to rw.
Jimssm 9/12/2012 8:35:47 PM Report
For those of you wondering about the progress of my refugee sons....
They are doing well. Very hard workers. They are getting used to the food. One will try anything and the other will like most things as long as you don't tell him what it is...lol.
We moved them into residence at the college and university. My wife cried harder letting them go a couple of miles away than she did dropping my daughter off in Ottawa
...... But it was time to push them off on their own a bit more. They have called us every night to say goodnight and speak to my entire family each time.
We've had to advocate for them on a number of occasions...the worst being with Service Ontario who refused to issue a Health Card because they couldn't verify an Ontario address and didn't consider residence at University a permanent address. They wanted a PUC bill or gas company bill with their name and address on it. Try to explain to a thick-headed bureaucrat that a refugee that arrived just weeks ago might not have a gas or PUC account just yet.
One day at a time...lol
T-rat 9/12/2012 8:43:31 PM Report
Gracie, Gracie, Gracie! The racist card? Is that all you've got in response? Sad but totally expected, considering the source. You've got big brown eyes, don't you? You're so full of --it!
mallet 9/12/2012 8:44:49 PM Report
Ommitted Saddam, memory isn't what it used to be, but there again the first time it was justified for the invasion of Kuwait, second time, well I suppose junior wanted the same rewards for doing what daddy didn't, hadn't invaded anyone so WMD was as good an excuse as any. What I do not understand is WHY all the advisors these people have, do not check the history books, if they did they would see that other great powers have tried and failed/given up trying to do anything in the middle east/asian area. Britian tried and held the Indian sub continent for 150 years or so and then gave it up as being more trouble than it was worth. Britian and Russia tried to pacify Afghanistan and failed. The road to Bahgdad is paved with British military cemetaries, so why do they keep trying, is it something in the colonial powers physce that they have to try and mold every culture to their own? I do not know, all I do know it has cost countless servicemens lives to prove they cannot. Best reasons I can come up with is purely financial, creates employment, keeps the military/industrial tycoons happy and rich, which in turn makes for larger contributions to policticians re-election campaigns. But there again I am a bit of a cynic!!
right wing 9/12/2012 8:45:23 PM Report
Funny how you instantly equated my use of the word atheist to lefties.
I did not identify with any specific leaning when I mentioned it.
Shakespeare instantly related.
right wing 9/12/2012 8:50:57 PM Report
Do you ever wonder why the most religious societies are also the most violent and war-loving ?
Think about it.
No I did not because your statement has no basis in fact.
shakespeare 9/12/2012 8:56:58 PM Report
Once again, you have got me wrong rw. I wasn't even thinking about references to God or religion; I was more thinking about "think". As Spelly knows, I am not an atheist any more (and if I were, I would admit it). I'm an agnostic and have nothing against religious faith as long as it doesn't hurt anyone.
Jimssm 9/12/2012 9:13:45 PM Report
I only associated lefties with athiests because the negative comment came from you and you never say anything positive about the left side of things.
I would remind you that Jesus was a socialist.
shakespeare 9/12/2012 9:16:19 PM Report
On a slightly different tack, we had our annual meeting with our investment advisor, today. We have been very happy with the advice over the last few years, but wondered about readjustments. The readjustments involve selling certain things that are not performing well. The interesting thing is we were advised to get rid of a few low performing Canadian investments and encouraged to go US. Apparently the word is that Canadian interestments will do O.K. but notch down a little, but that the U.S. economy (somewhat dependent on Europe) is poised for some good gains.
I asked how it related to the US politics. They laughed. It has virtually nothing to do with that, although the autobailout was a good idea, but that either party in power in the next year will claim the upsurge as part of their strategy.
Jimssm 9/12/2012 9:24:09 PM Report
"Do you ever wonder why the most religious societies are also the most violent and war-loving ?
Think about it.
No I did not because your statement has no basis in fact."
Doesn't take a lot of research...not even Google. Like I said, just think about it.
Thinking doesn't hurt...it may give you a headache and you may smell burning rubber, but in the end all around you will benefit.
shakespeare 9/12/2012 9:24:32 PM Report
spot the typo!
steelworker 9/12/2012 9:28:16 PM Report
Nice to see Rudy Giuliani on Channel 31 proclaiming Obama as the most ass-kicking President in history. Evidently all you have to do to win the election is have more drone strikes than anyone else.
Grace 9/12/2012 9:28:58 PM Report
T-rat, T-rat,T-rat..blue as the noon day sky...
You wrote what you wrote..called it as I saw it! Life goes on!
mallet 9/12/2012 9:36:43 PM Report
I guess you never heard of the Crusades, all in the name of everything Holy. Those were some of the most violent, blood thirsty, horrific wars ever thought up.
sppp 9/12/2012 9:38:29 PM Report
Why does the OPP or the Ministry of Natural resources not check the condition of the remote emergency Helicopter Landing areas located north of Sault Ste. Marie.
Seems poorly planned, that a passenger had to be driven from the ACR passenger train to highway 17 along a gravel road by ambulance, and then get airlifted to the regional hospital.
Thanks go out to the Batchawana Search and Rescue team for being there to assist.
How much time was lost doing this?
How long did the Medi-chopper hover around?
Did the chopper wait for the OPP to drive from the SOO to stop traffic?
Who maintains these specified landing sites and monitors that they are always clear and landable?
The sign at each site specifically states what Emergency site it is.
Who placed these signs?
If I used my SPOT 911 Distress device for an emergency from one of these sites, what would be the protocol?
The site on Mile 38 road at KM-6 is clear of debris, but is used as a parking lot for vehicles in the summer and winter. normally unlandable.
The site on Mile 38 road at McDonald Creek road was clear a few days ago.
The site on the Carp River Road-Tribag Mine road intersection is full of small trees and logs, making it unusable.
2 of 3 sites is unusable!
mallet 9/12/2012 9:42:41 PM Report
I guess I should have directed that at RW..sorry about that...when people re-write what others have said it sometimes gets mistaken for what you have said.
Jimssm 9/12/2012 9:47:48 PM Report
not a problem....in retrospect I should have tightened up the quote a bit to make it easier to see what part was rw and what part was me.