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jean-paul 7/13/2012 5:54:16 AM Report
More blab blab blab blab today blab blab hot blab blab water blab blab.
More blab blab blab blab today blab blab hot blab blab water blab blab.
Grump 7/13/2012 7:02:52 AM Report
Good morning everyone, another nice hot day on the way so have a great day and weekend. Twisted think in simple terms of a business selling huge ammounts (oilsands) but going in the red doing it (Alberta). Now I would normally expect that Brian had fed you that crap but he isn't that bright or that ambitious. Quit trying to make a silk purse out of a sow's ear because sow's can't fly either.
Good morning everyone, another nice hot day on the way so have a great day and weekend. Twisted think in simple terms of a business selling huge ammounts (oilsands) but going in the red doing it (Alberta). Now I would normally expect that Brian had fed you that crap but he isn't that bright or that ambitious. Quit trying to make a silk purse out of a sow's ear because sow's can't fly either.
DutchTouch 7/13/2012 7:19:30 AM Report
I wish I hadn't turned on my radio this morning only to hear the sickening news about those poor horses dying in the chuckwagon race in Calgary. I hope the barbarians got their sick thrills. It happens almost ever year. How many other animals will be sacrificed to satisfy their sick sense of sportsmanship at the animals expense.
I'm so upset I can barely type.
I wish I hadn't turned on my radio this morning only to hear the sickening news about those poor horses dying in the chuckwagon race in Calgary. I hope the barbarians got their sick thrills. It happens almost ever year. How many other animals will be sacrificed to satisfy their sick sense of sportsmanship at the animals expense.
I'm so upset I can barely type.
Resident 7/13/2012 7:52:58 AM Report
Dutch Treat: I agree!!!! In my opinion the "sport" should be banned.
Dutch Treat: I agree!!!! In my opinion the "sport" should be banned.
statusquo 7/13/2012 7:53:45 AM Report
DT,
I think "sick barbarians" is a bit harsh.
But I totally agree with you that using animals for human entertainment in such a way that potential harm or suffering to the creature is a real possibility is in my opinion a reflection on the overall moral and ethical maturity , or lack thereof, of us as a species.
What I find most perplexing is the following statement:
"A visibly distraught Harden was in tears as he spoke to media later Thursday night. He said the crash was a tragic accident that “just happened so fast.” He said he loved all of the horses, referring to one in particular as a family pet that was supposed to become his son’s horse one day.
“You just can’t replace them. They’re like humans, they’re family,” Harden said. “It’s devastating.”
-end of quote-
I am sure it is devastating. But one has to wonder why he would enter his "family member" in such an event.
But let's not forget dog fighting, bull fighting etc.
The human need for entertainment knows no bounds.
Will we ever evolve ?....time will tell but in the meantime.....
"The time has come, the Walrus said,
To talk of many things.
Of shoes and ships and sealing wax.
Of cabbages and kings.
And why the sea is boiling hot
And whether pigs have wings."
DT,
I think "sick barbarians" is a bit harsh.
But I totally agree with you that using animals for human entertainment in such a way that potential harm or suffering to the creature is a real possibility is in my opinion a reflection on the overall moral and ethical maturity , or lack thereof, of us as a species.
What I find most perplexing is the following statement:
"A visibly distraught Harden was in tears as he spoke to media later Thursday night. He said the crash was a tragic accident that “just happened so fast.” He said he loved all of the horses, referring to one in particular as a family pet that was supposed to become his son’s horse one day.
“You just can’t replace them. They’re like humans, they’re family,” Harden said. “It’s devastating.”
-end of quote-
I am sure it is devastating. But one has to wonder why he would enter his "family member" in such an event.
But let's not forget dog fighting, bull fighting etc.
The human need for entertainment knows no bounds.
Will we ever evolve ?....time will tell but in the meantime.....
"The time has come, the Walrus said,
To talk of many things.
Of shoes and ships and sealing wax.
Of cabbages and kings.
And why the sea is boiling hot
And whether pigs have wings."
asIseeit 7/13/2012 8:18:01 AM Report
Save a horse , saddle these idiots and ride 'THEM" to death. I have no patience for people who abuse animals or humans, whatever order.
Save a horse , saddle these idiots and ride 'THEM" to death. I have no patience for people who abuse animals or humans, whatever order.
Pink Peony 7/13/2012 8:46:14 AM Report
I do believe that the owners love their animals and that they are well taken care of outside of the events. BUT their foolish pride blinds them to the fact that they are using them in events that are dangerous. Seems the owners attention turns to themselves and the fame and glory they receive at these events. They forget all about the danger that they pose to their animals.
I do believe that the owners love their animals and that they are well taken care of outside of the events. BUT their foolish pride blinds them to the fact that they are using them in events that are dangerous. Seems the owners attention turns to themselves and the fame and glory they receive at these events. They forget all about the danger that they pose to their animals.
flyhawk25 7/13/2012 9:00:52 AM Report
Like almost everyone else on here I have never owned a farm or a ranch.
From my urban sensibility I agree.
But I have family who are farmers and another who is a competitive rodeo rider. They have a different take on animals than I do.
It really is a cultural thing.
Like almost everyone else on here I have never owned a farm or a ranch.
From my urban sensibility I agree.
But I have family who are farmers and another who is a competitive rodeo rider. They have a different take on animals than I do.
It really is a cultural thing.
Left Winger 7/13/2012 9:19:11 AM Report
You are right, it is a different culture when dealing with farm animals etc...
Our problem is that we want to attribute human personalities to them. Sorry they are animals! They are not pets!
Do you not think that perhaps the animals don't mind and are just as eager for the race? That's what they are breed for and they become just as competative as the owners.
If you feed your "pet" human food you are abusing them as well. And while I'm on this subject one of my biggest pet (pun intended) peeves is to see A-holes driving around town with their friggin dog sitting in their lap.
What gives with that? Is that not a form of abuse as well? What happens to that animal should the driver get into an accident?
Anyway, as my mom would say - Mind your own bee wax and quit worrying about others.
You are right, it is a different culture when dealing with farm animals etc...
Our problem is that we want to attribute human personalities to them. Sorry they are animals! They are not pets!
Do you not think that perhaps the animals don't mind and are just as eager for the race? That's what they are breed for and they become just as competative as the owners.
If you feed your "pet" human food you are abusing them as well. And while I'm on this subject one of my biggest pet (pun intended) peeves is to see A-holes driving around town with their friggin dog sitting in their lap.
What gives with that? Is that not a form of abuse as well? What happens to that animal should the driver get into an accident?
Anyway, as my mom would say - Mind your own bee wax and quit worrying about others.
Wisenheimer 7/13/2012 9:24:20 AM Report
Haven't been in here for a while .. did eversons die and reincarnate as "asiseeit". "A rose by any other name".
Haven't been in here for a while .. did eversons die and reincarnate as "asiseeit". "A rose by any other name".
asIseeit 7/13/2012 9:40:02 AM Report
Sorry to have made you make assumptions Wisenheimer but no I am not whomever you mentioned. You are the second person that made reference to said person.
Came on this blogger site @ about 3 weeks ago was on the other site. Too hard to navigate, at my age this is simple.
Sorry to have made you make assumptions Wisenheimer but no I am not whomever you mentioned. You are the second person that made reference to said person.
Came on this blogger site @ about 3 weeks ago was on the other site. Too hard to navigate, at my age this is simple.
JerryLundegard 7/13/2012 10:15:01 AM Report
Chuck wagon races are great to watch live!
When I heard of the horses death, I felt bad for about 8 seconds! Then I got over it!
Chuck wagon races are great to watch live!
When I heard of the horses death, I felt bad for about 8 seconds! Then I got over it!
Pink Peony 7/13/2012 10:29:20 AM Report
25miller, I believe they're doing alright. I can't see in the nest now but the parent's are still busy getting food and taking it to the nest.
25miller, I believe they're doing alright. I can't see in the nest now but the parent's are still busy getting food and taking it to the nest.
25miller 7/13/2012 10:52:16 AM Report
Glad to hear Pink..
"What gives with that? Is that not a form of abuse as well? What happens to that animal should the driver get into an accident?"
What would happen to the dog if he was in the box of a truck or in the passengers seat or even the back seat if an accident was to happen..I think it would be safer on the drivers lap due to the air bags to save the animal..Its the dogs in the box of a truck that is animal abuse if you ask me..he/she would have no chance and some people tie them in the box...
Glad to hear Pink..
"What gives with that? Is that not a form of abuse as well? What happens to that animal should the driver get into an accident?"
What would happen to the dog if he was in the box of a truck or in the passengers seat or even the back seat if an accident was to happen..I think it would be safer on the drivers lap due to the air bags to save the animal..Its the dogs in the box of a truck that is animal abuse if you ask me..he/she would have no chance and some people tie them in the box...
sweetc 7/13/2012 10:56:51 AM Report
what about the schools. Making kids run and play sports. do you know how many sports injuries there are each year? Is this a form of child abuse?
What about motorcyle racing, car racing, sky diving etc etc etc. anyone doing any of this can be injured or killed too. Is it abuse?
The animals are just as antsy and eager to run and be competitive as the humans are. As one person said earlier. we in Northern Ontario don't like Southerners putting their noses in our business so how about the Easterners keep their noses out of the Westerners business.
what about the schools. Making kids run and play sports. do you know how many sports injuries there are each year? Is this a form of child abuse?
What about motorcyle racing, car racing, sky diving etc etc etc. anyone doing any of this can be injured or killed too. Is it abuse?
The animals are just as antsy and eager to run and be competitive as the humans are. As one person said earlier. we in Northern Ontario don't like Southerners putting their noses in our business so how about the Easterners keep their noses out of the Westerners business.
Pink Peony 7/13/2012 11:19:20 AM Report
sweetc, those are good points. As flyhawk mentioned earlier, our perspectives are so different because we're in an urban environment and many of us have never been in a rural environment. So our viewpoints are skewed and based on emotional response as well.
sweetc, those are good points. As flyhawk mentioned earlier, our perspectives are so different because we're in an urban environment and many of us have never been in a rural environment. So our viewpoints are skewed and based on emotional response as well.
Pink Peony 7/13/2012 11:24:18 AM Report
Oh, here's some news! Surfing goats!!!
http://www.thestar.com/news/world/article/1226045--surfing-goats-wow-california-beachgoers
Oh, here's some news! Surfing goats!!!
http://www.thestar.com/news/world/article/1226045--surfing-goats-wow-california-beachgoers
Left Winger 7/13/2012 11:55:58 AM Report
I wasn't talking about the large size dogs. I was referring to the little ankle biters that you see these people carrying in their purses etc..
I would hate to see what an airbag would do to that size of a dog. I've seen what airbags do to people and it's not pretty, usually a bloody or broken nose.
Imagine a small dog getting hit with that - it would snap their necks.
There are safety restraints available for your pets people, buy one and use it!
I wasn't talking about the large size dogs. I was referring to the little ankle biters that you see these people carrying in their purses etc..
I would hate to see what an airbag would do to that size of a dog. I've seen what airbags do to people and it's not pretty, usually a bloody or broken nose.
Imagine a small dog getting hit with that - it would snap their necks.
There are safety restraints available for your pets people, buy one and use it!
Brianne 7/13/2012 12:23:52 PM Report
Momma Nature, please turn down the thermostat, just a bit pleassssssssssse
Momma Nature, please turn down the thermostat, just a bit pleassssssssssse
DutchTouch 7/13/2012 12:24:21 PM Report
There is a huge difference between an adult risking their life as in: car racing, bull riding, skiing and snowmobiling in out of bound areas or climbing Mount Everest etc. No one is forcing them to do it.
But when it comes to children or animals being purposely bullied or put in harms way then it should be everyone's business. Perspective be darned. I don't care if it's happening here in this country or anywhere on earth.
Children and animals have no choice in the matter. They aren't able to stand up for their rights.
Someone needs to make a stand and say enough is enough. We like to think we are civilized yet if we look around we'll see just what a blood thirsty society we really are. Go watch an NHL game for example. The more bloodshed the bigger the audiences. These guys aren't being forced but it is expected of them.
I know that we're a lonely voice in the wilderness but the chorus keeps getting louder.
There is a huge difference between an adult risking their life as in: car racing, bull riding, skiing and snowmobiling in out of bound areas or climbing Mount Everest etc. No one is forcing them to do it.
But when it comes to children or animals being purposely bullied or put in harms way then it should be everyone's business. Perspective be darned. I don't care if it's happening here in this country or anywhere on earth.
Children and animals have no choice in the matter. They aren't able to stand up for their rights.
Someone needs to make a stand and say enough is enough. We like to think we are civilized yet if we look around we'll see just what a blood thirsty society we really are. Go watch an NHL game for example. The more bloodshed the bigger the audiences. These guys aren't being forced but it is expected of them.
I know that we're a lonely voice in the wilderness but the chorus keeps getting louder.
realitycheck 7/13/2012 1:08:45 PM Report
"They eat horses don't they ?"
Wisen:
You are above that.
"Our problem is that we want to attribute human personalities to them. Sorry they are animals! They are not pets!"
Left Winger:
Obviously you are not above it. Yes, they are animals, but because they are animals are we allowed to abuse them? Not in my mind. Cruelty is cruelty, whether cultural or not.
"They eat horses don't they ?"
Wisen:
You are above that.
"Our problem is that we want to attribute human personalities to them. Sorry they are animals! They are not pets!"
Left Winger:
Obviously you are not above it. Yes, they are animals, but because they are animals are we allowed to abuse them? Not in my mind. Cruelty is cruelty, whether cultural or not.
tWISTED lOGIC 7/13/2012 1:14:47 PM Report
To Grump 7/13/2012 7:02:52 AM
"... Twisted think in simple terms of a business selling huge ammounts (oilsands) but going in the red doing it (Alberta). Now I would normally expect that Brian had fed you that crap but he isn't that bright or that ambitious. Quit trying to make a silk purse out of a sow's ear because sow's can't fly either."
If you missed my late night posting that Forrest is obviously having trouble coming to terms with, here it is. It's a GOOD ONE!
By the way, Gump, your ignorance shines through again. It's BrYan. Not Brian.
tWISTED lOGIC 7/12/2012 9:14:45 PM Report
To Grump 7/12/2012 6:55:53 AM Report
"... Chretien/Martin paid the Federal debt down by over 100 Billion but now everyone says they were bums. Harper is not only running a deficit but has added over 200 Billion to the Federal debt but somehow he is a hero. I wonder if the neo cons looked at the 10 Million dollars he spent on attack adds and the millions he has spent on telling Canadians how wonderfull he is could have something to do with misleading the not too bright. Go figure ..."
Grump, Grump Grump. Once again you don't have a clue what the numbers mean. Canada’s accumulated debt, or the sum of all its budget deficits, translates into about 30% of the total GDP under the Harper Government. That makes the country a shining star among struggling G7 economies and represents a drastic decline from the mid-1990s when the federal debt-to-GDP ratio hit nearly 70% under Chretien/Martin. In real dollars Canada’s debt did set a record. But adjusted for inflation, today’s federal debt pales in comparison with the records of the mid-1990s under Chretien and Martin. For instance, the debt in 1996 stood at nearly $769-billion when adjusted for inflation, 25% higher than the present-day debt.
The real Debt/GDP ratio under Harper is the same as it was under "Dief the Chief" in 1961.
It just sucks to be you because you are just so wrong and the Harper Government is so right.
To Grump 7/13/2012 7:02:52 AM
"... Twisted think in simple terms of a business selling huge ammounts (oilsands) but going in the red doing it (Alberta). Now I would normally expect that Brian had fed you that crap but he isn't that bright or that ambitious. Quit trying to make a silk purse out of a sow's ear because sow's can't fly either."
If you missed my late night posting that Forrest is obviously having trouble coming to terms with, here it is. It's a GOOD ONE!
By the way, Gump, your ignorance shines through again. It's BrYan. Not Brian.
tWISTED lOGIC 7/12/2012 9:14:45 PM Report
To Grump 7/12/2012 6:55:53 AM Report
"... Chretien/Martin paid the Federal debt down by over 100 Billion but now everyone says they were bums. Harper is not only running a deficit but has added over 200 Billion to the Federal debt but somehow he is a hero. I wonder if the neo cons looked at the 10 Million dollars he spent on attack adds and the millions he has spent on telling Canadians how wonderfull he is could have something to do with misleading the not too bright. Go figure ..."
Grump, Grump Grump. Once again you don't have a clue what the numbers mean. Canada’s accumulated debt, or the sum of all its budget deficits, translates into about 30% of the total GDP under the Harper Government. That makes the country a shining star among struggling G7 economies and represents a drastic decline from the mid-1990s when the federal debt-to-GDP ratio hit nearly 70% under Chretien/Martin. In real dollars Canada’s debt did set a record. But adjusted for inflation, today’s federal debt pales in comparison with the records of the mid-1990s under Chretien and Martin. For instance, the debt in 1996 stood at nearly $769-billion when adjusted for inflation, 25% higher than the present-day debt.
The real Debt/GDP ratio under Harper is the same as it was under "Dief the Chief" in 1961.
It just sucks to be you because you are just so wrong and the Harper Government is so right.
asIseeit 7/13/2012 2:43:53 PM Report
Relax tWisted it's too hot to argue. Have a barley sandwich and chill.
Relax tWisted it's too hot to argue. Have a barley sandwich and chill.
Dreamer 7/13/2012 3:44:53 PM Report
I wish instead of the report button we had a LIKE button ;) ya know like on facebook?? So instead of loggin on and posting we could jus hit LIKE!
BTW asiseeit--barley sand and chill sounds great!!
I wish instead of the report button we had a LIKE button ;) ya know like on facebook?? So instead of loggin on and posting we could jus hit LIKE!
BTW asiseeit--barley sand and chill sounds great!!
Grump 7/13/2012 4:27:54 PM Report
Asiseeit you are right it is too hot to argue. There is also no point in carrying on trying to educate a post. You just keep grinning twisted while your hero sucks us deeper into debt. I guess it doesn't change your life style living in your parents basement for free.
Asiseeit you are right it is too hot to argue. There is also no point in carrying on trying to educate a post. You just keep grinning twisted while your hero sucks us deeper into debt. I guess it doesn't change your life style living in your parents basement for free.
Zing 7/13/2012 5:02:50 PM Report
Changing subjects here...
It seems to me that the English language changes quite often in news reports. For example...
"Injured black bear dispatched in Wawa" By an OPP officer.
"Citizen shoots, kills bear in City's north end"
In both cases the bears were shot and killed.....I can't figure why, when an officer shoots and kills a bear, it is dismissed as a dispatch, but when a citizen does it it is called 'shoots, kills'.
Changing subjects here...
It seems to me that the English language changes quite often in news reports. For example...
"Injured black bear dispatched in Wawa" By an OPP officer.
"Citizen shoots, kills bear in City's north end"
In both cases the bears were shot and killed.....I can't figure why, when an officer shoots and kills a bear, it is dismissed as a dispatch, but when a citizen does it it is called 'shoots, kills'.
RLE 7/13/2012 5:26:36 PM Report
Zing:
Dispatched sounds more civilized than killed If we write that a citizen "killed" a bear it seems to suggest that the citizen was some mean S.O.B. that prevented Yogi from getting a picinic basket,instead of somebody that took over the job the M.N.R. should be doing.
Zing:
Dispatched sounds more civilized than killed If we write that a citizen "killed" a bear it seems to suggest that the citizen was some mean S.O.B. that prevented Yogi from getting a picinic basket,instead of somebody that took over the job the M.N.R. should be doing.
statusquo 7/13/2012 7:16:40 PM Report
sweetc,
"What about motorcyle racing, car racing, sky diving etc etc etc. anyone doing any of this can be injured or killed too. Is it abuse?"
You're not serious about that comparison now are you? It's worse than apples and oranges...it's apples and meatballs.
Your examples are willing "human" participants well aware of the risks and dangers.
The Calgary Stampede is a money making circus using creatures under our control that have no choice in the matter, for cheap thrills. There is very little impetus to hold such an event other than generating dollars.
You can argue the beejeebies out of it, but morally and ethically it stinks to high heaven!
If you cannot grasp that something is off with this whole idea of running an animal ragged, or with bow hunting for that matter then we have to agree to disagree and leave it at that.
sweetc,
"What about motorcyle racing, car racing, sky diving etc etc etc. anyone doing any of this can be injured or killed too. Is it abuse?"
You're not serious about that comparison now are you? It's worse than apples and oranges...it's apples and meatballs.
Your examples are willing "human" participants well aware of the risks and dangers.
The Calgary Stampede is a money making circus using creatures under our control that have no choice in the matter, for cheap thrills. There is very little impetus to hold such an event other than generating dollars.
You can argue the beejeebies out of it, but morally and ethically it stinks to high heaven!
If you cannot grasp that something is off with this whole idea of running an animal ragged, or with bow hunting for that matter then we have to agree to disagree and leave it at that.
skipper dave 7/13/2012 8:25:46 PM Report
Once again folks - thirty thousand babies die every day of starvation! Keep things in perspective, how many chickens die in one day, am I being silly? Are we to stop NASCAR because people die? Are we to stop the winter olympic's because people die? My good friend farmer John calls the calfs and piglets pet names in the spring. "Prime Rib", "Sirloin" , "Pork Chop", sad he has no name for the chickens, they live a longer life if they're good at laying eggs. It's that simple for him. Now farmer John gets mad at the Mennonites who don't shoe their horses. Apparently a lot of them get put down for problems. The horses that is.
Once again folks - thirty thousand babies die every day of starvation! Keep things in perspective, how many chickens die in one day, am I being silly? Are we to stop NASCAR because people die? Are we to stop the winter olympic's because people die? My good friend farmer John calls the calfs and piglets pet names in the spring. "Prime Rib", "Sirloin" , "Pork Chop", sad he has no name for the chickens, they live a longer life if they're good at laying eggs. It's that simple for him. Now farmer John gets mad at the Mennonites who don't shoe their horses. Apparently a lot of them get put down for problems. The horses that is.
right wing 7/14/2012 10:17:08 AM Report
skipper dave
There was a PETA group that broke into a chinchilla farm some years ago with the intention to free the little rats.
They gave freedom to some five thousand of the varmints.
By morning several thousand, which were apparently sensitive to the night temperatures in the area, froze to death while the rest got run over on the nearby freeway.
Some "rescue" eh.
skipper dave
There was a PETA group that broke into a chinchilla farm some years ago with the intention to free the little rats.
They gave freedom to some five thousand of the varmints.
By morning several thousand, which were apparently sensitive to the night temperatures in the area, froze to death while the rest got run over on the nearby freeway.
Some "rescue" eh.
realitycheck 7/14/2012 12:22:43 PM Report
I like Status's last quote of yesterday. It puts things far more in perspective than Skipper Dave's apology and support for the cruel treatment of animals in the name of sport.
I like Status's last quote of yesterday. It puts things far more in perspective than Skipper Dave's apology and support for the cruel treatment of animals in the name of sport.
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