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Are Orazietti & Brown delivering on health care?

By Bud Wildman

Voters elect MPPs to represent their views, exercise their judgement on their behalf and make decisions about local and provincial issues. Over and over polls indicate that the paramount issue for Ontarians (and most Canadians) is timely access to high quality publicly funded health care services.

Now that the First Ministers have agreed that the federal Government will inject a substantial amount of additional funding into our medicare system, it’s the responsibility of our local MPPs to ensure that the immediate and long-term health care needs of residents of Sault Ste. Marie and Algoma are met.

This requires that the provincial Government provide adequate funding from this new revenue to local health care institutions and services, as well as moving forward with long-overdue reforms in medicare services delivery. David Orazietti and Mike Brown must ensure that health care in our area gets the funds required for local needs to be met.

What are Orazietti and Brown doing to obtain additional provincial funding for health care in the Sault area?

They should be working to ensure that decisions by the McGuinty Government do not hurt their constituents and lower the quality of health care available to them. The Liberal Government imposed OHIP premiums and announced the de-listing of services —physiotherapy, chiropractic services and optometry—in its first Budget, before the recent “break-through” agreement between the federal and provincial governments on additional medicare funding. Now that the provinces will receive an additional $18 billion—the bulk of which will flow to Ontario — over six years, our local MPPs should be pressing their Government to reverse these regressive Budget measures.

Some of the new money should be used to revoke the new OHIP premiums and to restore the services that are being de-listed. When will we hear from Orazietti and Brown on these issues?

Locally, there are very critical problems plaguing our health care system that must be addressed with more funding from the provincial Government. There is a drastic shortage of physicians in Sault Ste. Marie and Algoma District. The lack of an adequate number of anesthetists in the Sault threatens patients with cancellation of elective surgeries and with longer waiting periods.

The shortage of medical specialists, such as specialists in internal medicine and surgeons, means that wait lists, that are already very lengthy, will get longer. It also could cause crises in emergency procedures at the Sault Area Hospital. Our area needs assistance in attracting specialists.

An even more serious problem for area residents is the shortage of family physicians locally. Over 6,000 area residents have no access to a family doctor at all.

Inevitably, this means that many patients are forced to seek treatment in the hospital emergency department, often at great inconvenience to them and their families and at much higher expense to the provincial health care budget. A province-wide program to attract physicians to under-serviced areas like ours must be developed.

Another crisis in health care here is the Sault Area Hospital’s $5.8 million deficit, on its annual budget of $130 million. Prior to the First Ministers’ Agreement, the Ontario Minister of Health and Long Term Care George Smitherman announced additional grants for hospitals across Ontario totalling over $400 million. The Ontario Hospital Association (OHA) responded that this new funding was better than nothing, but it is inadequate to cover hospital budget shortfalls throughout the province. The OHA says that Ontario hospitals need a total of about $1 billion in extra funding to eliminate all of their deficits.

The provincial Liberal Government is taking a hard line with Ontario hospitals. Smitherman has stated that Hospital Boards in this province should not expect any further grants from Ontario’s share of the $18 billion of new federal money. He is demanding that the hospitals balance their budgets.

Hospital Administrators have indicated that this will mean cuts in services. In spite of this, the Ontario Liberals are apparently adamant that no money from the new financial transfer from the federal Government will be used to give additional grants to hospitals to help them to eliminate their deficits.

The Liberal MPPs for Sault Ste. Marie and Algoma-Manitoulin must demand adequate funding to help recruit the number of physicians required to serve the population of our area and to eliminate the Sault Area Hospital’s deficit. A new hospital funding formula must be developed to avoid on-going deficits.

If, instead, the local hospital administration is forced to balance its budget by instituting further service cuts, it will become even more difficult to attract family doctors and specialists to our area. And area residents will have to endure even longer waiting lists and poorer accessibility to health care.

In the last provincial election campaign, Dalton McGuinty promised to improve health care for Ontarians. He promised to achieve this improvement without raising taxes. He broke these promises when his Government imposed health care premiums and proposed to de-list some health care services for Ontarians.

The Liberals convinced local voters that, if they elected Liberal MPPs to Queen’s Park, they would have the ear of the Government. The people of the Sault and area have the right to expect the Liberals to keep, at least, some of their commitments. David Orazietti and Mike Brown owe it to their constituents to deliver on health care.

When will Orazietti and Brown report to us that they have persuaded Smitherman to provide additional financial assistance to cover the budget deficit of the Sault Area Hospital?

When will they confirm that they have been successful in persuading their Government to restore the health care services that were to be de-listed and to revoke the OHIP premiums that were imposed on Ontarians as a result of Finance Minister Greg Sorbara’s first Budget?

When will they be able to announce their Government’s plan for attracting more physicians to our area?

We’re waiting with baited breath.

Posted Friday, October 08, 2004

There are 63 responses.

Werner Responded on: 10/8/2004 8:05:14 AM

That would be bated breath.

bated

\Bat"ed\, a. Reduced; lowered; restrained; as, to speak with bated breath. --Macaulay.

I got up earlier than Spellchecker... :)

AndyK Responded on: 10/8/2004 8:10:52 AM

When? Just before the next election.

Bary Morris Responded on: 10/8/2004 8:41:00 AM

Anything yet, GP??

Paul B. Responded on: 10/8/2004 9:03:16 AM

Genesio will not respond to As Usual's assertions about NDP incompetence (in Bud's last column) for one simple reason... he is a coward who hides behind rhetoric. He'll come out swinging and call everybody names but he will never deal with facts. He would have made a very good Bolshevik in 1917.

curious Responded on: 10/8/2004 9:17:00 AM

orazetti and brown are doing more for health care than the ndp ever did i like sitting in emergency for 12 hours waiting for my hemmorhoids to be lanced.

blb Responded on: 10/8/2004 10:44:55 AM

paul b
as usual get's the response deserved ... or in other words ... what is the square root of zero?

On the side line Responded on: 10/8/2004 11:07:57 AM

Hey Bud I think Orazietti & Brown are delivering on healthcare a lot better than your Party (NDP) ever did. Don't forget the one chance you were given to govern in Ontario, was an unequivocal disaster. Even 10 years later, we're still suffering from your "governing" - i.e. critical shortage of doctors in the province, because your party (NDP) cut medical school seats back in the early 90's, which everyone in the whole province is now feeling the pain that the NDP cuts have inflicted. You seem to have no problem at creating a Crisis, but you never offer any solutions, personally I don't think you are in any position to question or criticize their performance.

I think there is a saying for this, All Talk NO ACTION... All I seem to see on this website is David, Mike and Dalton making funding announcements for healthcare in the north I would prefer healthcare funding announcements, instead of announcements like the ones NDP Member Tony Martin makes about opening a food bank and having dinner with a hockey player.

Sad Responded on: 10/8/2004 11:29:44 AM

The term "Fiberal" is a gross understatement. The proper term is... LIEberal

Scarlet Responded on: 10/8/2004 12:07:58 PM

to On the side line....

Bud's column is a 'call to action' directed at our provincial representation. This is a legitimate peice of writing.

What you have written is angry, defensive ignorant and rude. It does not contribute to the 'conversation'. I do understand the nature of this site...anyone can say what he/she wants to anyone they want to.

Unfortunately, some take advantage of situations and throw dirt. Others are more constructive. Bud was not comparing our present representatives to others or saying anything abou the NDP. Why do you dig up and throw your dirt in response.

I think Bud posted some reasonable expectations in light of the new funding. What is wrong with that?

Just my opinion...

Genesio Paciocco Responded on: 10/8/2004 3:07:39 PM

paulB.The rigional question was too usual and it was clear cut question. How much debt did CANADIAN ALLIANCE premier MIKE(the Steven Harper)Harris and his sidekick ERNIE EVES leave us because of the tax cuts and the monies they borrowed for unthought out scheme inwhich we are paying for it today. usual it is not a trick question.

Paul B you call me coward post your real name and not alias look who's calling the kettle black. I leave you the same question maybe you can answer it. Maybe you can help your sorry ass RIGHT-WING(usual) COMRAD???????????

What about it FIBERAL Orazietti Bud is correct in article(hospital's) and we are waiting for you too act and be proactive and do the right thing for working class people or resign(949-6959)

toad Responded on: 10/8/2004 6:09:45 PM

Genesio, your brain "resigned" years ago

Barry Morris Responded on: 10/8/2004 7:47:53 PM

You were asked to supply some numbers, I believe, GP. Anything yet??

Barry Morris Responded on: 10/8/2004 7:52:51 PM

GP,:

As Usual Responded on: 10/6/2004 8:29:41 PM

Gene, you said I am misleading people. How? You said my numbers are wrong. Correct me then. Don't ask me to prove you right by having me attack my own numbers I obtained through research.

Just give me YOUR facts to prove that I am wrong. It's pretty simple Gene. If I am wrong you MUST have the facts to back up that claim. All I am asking is that you present them.

A bunch of us are waiting.

blb Responded on: 10/8/2004 8:27:50 PM

Amen Scarlet!
just the usual. scapegoating lives here. reason and logic have left the building.

BobKat Responded on: 10/8/2004 8:30:02 PM

Anybody asked what your friendly neighbourhood opometrist is gettig to look into your eyes for 10 minutes. I did . The answer is about $80.00. That's today. When Nov. 1 rolls around they will be free to charge what the market will bear. And Davey O is doing what to fight these user fees?

Question: When it comes to user fees what's the difference between Mike Harris and Dalton mcvGuinty?

Answer: Mike harris didn't wanna be Dalton McGuinty

captain j Responded on: 10/8/2004 9:22:47 PM

the health care issue in canada will never be fixed because no politician has the guts to actually fix the problem. throwing money at it does not work. whenever the govt gives more money everyone is saying that we need more and more and more. the system is inefficient. i wonder how much money went to pay doctors emergency services because there arent enough doctors. i wish they would stop throwing extra money at the system and fix the fundamentals first.

more doctors
some user fees

i have no problem with limited user fees. i have been to the doctor once is the last five years. why not have everyone pay $10 to see their doctor and $ 25 for an emergency visit. we cannot afford this system. period. if we dont trim or cut the fat now the system will not last 10 years as is. the baby boomers are getting older and will draw on the system.THIS IS FACT. so we will either have some service reductions now and maybe user fees or you will see a massive negative change in ten years. lets face it. we cann not afford it

BobKat Responded on: 10/9/2004 10:11:20 AM

Captain j
The problem is that some folks have to go to the doctor on a regular basis. For some even small user fees are a hardship. You are very fortunate to not need the health care system> I hope that remains the situation for a long time in your life.

As Usual Responded on: 10/9/2004 10:20:42 AM

Bud, when will you be writing an article asking Tony to deliver on his promises? Maybe we can start with his promise to deliver good paying jobs to this City.

Bud, with all due respect, this column today (and most days) is nothing more than typical NDP rhetoric and fuel for the likes of Gene to begin his name calling.

Bud I have met and talked with you. Although I don't agree with your political leaning, I believe you are an intelligent person.

Maybe you should consider running for the mayor of this city. Your knowledge of how provincial and federal government work would be an asset as mayor.

What a waste of your knowledge, experience and talent to write a column as though you were still an opposition MPP. A column filled with criticism, a cloumn that offers no ideas.

blb Responded on: 10/9/2004 7:00:18 PM

usual ... thanks for nothing
So relieved to get your endorsement for Bud's intellectual abilities. You are clearly better qualified than any of us to run for mayor. Go for it! I find Bud's non partisan commentary both refreshing and informative. Please share your suggestions for improving healthcare delivery. But with one caveat, please spare us the privitization holy grail as its has nothing to do with health, healing and well being. I have made some specific suggestions without taking shots at people or parties. Shalom!

As Usual Responded on: 10/9/2004 7:11:29 PM

blb, I see, I can give my ideas so long as they agree with yours. Typical NDP socialist crap.

So the name calling blb is here today. Do you socialists take a course in that.

blb Responded on: 10/9/2004 8:37:35 PM

usual
excuse me sir or madam. i thought i saw a post of yours cutting up Tony, Gene and Bud. or were those objective and thoughtful observations? forgive me for being unable to discern your wisdom disguised as mere venemous hatred.

As Usual Responded on: 10/9/2004 10:18:46 PM

blb, I am actually serious about Bud running for Mayor. My opinion is that he his wasting his expertise and talent.

I didn't cut up Tony, I merely asked a question. I mean I am a tax payer and I'm just curious if we are getting our $150,000 worth.

Well, I don't have to cut up Gene, he speaks for himself.

There was no 'venomous hatred'. I think the NDP have a monopoly on this particular emotion.

And even if I was cutting up these gentlemen, if you are the 'christian' you say you are, shouldn't you be turning the other cheek?

captain j Responded on: 10/10/2004 1:53:59 AM

bobcat

it may be a hardship for them to pay small user fees, but in ten years when many services have to be cut or have heavier user fees, how will they then cope. the system must change. we simply cant afford it and if small user fees are a hardship then many people will b getting a huge reality check

Werner Responded on: 10/10/2004 7:15:44 AM

On turning the other cheek: if you slap ME, I ought to turn the other cheek. If you slap my friend, I am bound to come to the defence of my friend. :)

Ellis J. Responded on: 10/10/2004 8:31:40 AM

And where, Werner, in the New Testament does it say what you are saying? You imply it is okay for you to use force to protect another. Where in the Gospels does it say that, specifically?

Sarlet Responded on: 10/10/2004 8:41:31 AM

As usual is a lightweight with few ideas, lots of criticism and a very negative, blinder on view of the world. It's his view or no one's. He sits on his pulpit judging all others, with special attention to the NDP. Liberals and Conservatives have ruled almost exclusively in our history...he consistently blames the NDP for any problems. These are observations, not criticisms.

I do believe it is everyone's right to be slow on the uptake and narrow. As usual seems to be exercising his rights time, after time, after time.

Just my opinion. If you feel you are in the same league, call or set up an appointment with T. Martin and offer him your suggestions and assistance. I'm sure you will be more polite and respectful in a one-on-one conversation. He will surprise you with his knowledge, tolerance, openess and eagerness to listen to you. You may learn something.

Of course you probably don't have the gonads to confront him yourself. If you ever do go down that road, report back to us with the truth. Most would be interested.

Only my opinion. As usual, I think you will continue to spout venemous criticism as we have heard for months.Too bad.

BTW, five thanks today, on Thanksgiveing, that you have the opportunity to spout even your message uncensored.

As Usual Responded on: 10/10/2004 10:47:16 AM

Scarlet, you are entiltled to your opinion as I am to mine.

I have offered ideas on here but it's NDP'ers such as yourself that like to shut down the debate with insults, inuendo and a complete disregard for the facts.

It's true I have little respect for the NDP party, but I have not posted 'venomous opinion' about anyone. That is reserved for Gene, blb, you and a few other staunch NDP'ers.

When trying to offer debate, blb for instance, says offer your ideas on health care but don't start with privitization.

All you have to do is look at Gene's post for an utter disregard of the facts. Actually your postings have been devoid of facts.

As a matter of fact, I think you and blb are one in the same. The same style of writing and the exact same spelling mistakes. Could they be one and the same?

Barry Morris Responded on: 10/10/2004 1:00:19 PM

Just curious, Ellis J, are you implying that the bible says NOT to protect???

Barry Morris Responded on: 10/10/2004 1:08:30 PM

"Voters elect MPPs to represent their views, exercise their judgement on their behalf and make decisions about local and provincial issues."

...except when it conflicts with party views or getting re-elected.

Trevy W. Responded on: 10/10/2004 3:22:03 PM

Mr. Morris. My reading of the Bible is that violence is NEVER an option. That is what Judas Iscariot (sp) was all about.

Jesus was all about love and turning the other cheek. Yes sir. I see plenty of instances when Jesus Himself says that violence is not acceptable to God... for any reason.

Barry Morris Responded on: 10/10/2004 3:33:02 PM

I suspect that you don't accept the Old Testament as part of the whole bible.
Violence was certainly a justified response there.
The New Testament centers on the crucifixion and Resurection. Do you imagine that the early Christians didn't try to defend themselves from abuse?? I don't believe for a second that God meant for Christians never to defend themselves, either on a national or personal level.
I went looking for a short reference, and here it is:

Matt 10:34
34 Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.

Look up other references using the word sword, and you will find that love and peace was not Jesus' only message.

Werner Responded on: 10/10/2004 6:51:28 PM

I don't want to turn Bud's column into a religious debate. But I would expect that it is nothing but virtuous to protect others from harm and abuse. If violence is not required to do that, great. But sometimes violence is called for. Jesus nor John the Baptist ever challenged Roman soldiers to change careers and become pacifists. Giving one's life to save a friend is looked upon as the highest form of love a person can give.

So to die protecting one you love is always a great thing to do.

Werner, you're wrong Responded on: 10/10/2004 7:17:16 PM

Werner, you couldn't be more wrong. If the ends justify the means, Moses could have just inherited power instead of suffering the ordeals he did.

To please The Lord, you must solve problems The Lord's way. That way is NEVER violent. Not ever. Not under any circumstances.

Werner Responded on: 10/10/2004 9:00:49 PM

So if someone attacks your wife, you're going to kneel down and pray? There is a time to pray, and there is a time to act.

But let's not argue. That's verbal violence. :) I've been wrong before.. I'll leave it there.

Werner Responded on: 10/10/2004 9:30:40 PM

P.S. Is it okay for a Christian to be a cop?

Barry Morris Responded on: 10/10/2004 9:57:53 PM

"To please The Lord, you must solve problems The Lord's way. That way is NEVER violent. Not ever. Not under any circumstances."

Your assumptions. Not biblical. Enough on this column.

(sigh) Responded on: 10/11/2004 9:21:42 AM

Oh my, the one and only Barry Morris has spoken!!!

Ronald T. Robinson Responded on: 10/11/2004 10:35:52 AM

The presumption that MPPs (or federal MPs) are elected in order to support and represent constituents seems, in these days, somewhat a naive projection.

It is amazing that NDP rhetoric still has enough impact to get members elected.

Btw, for those who still cling to any allusions that Bob Rae actually did the province any good, a consideration of the plight of Saskatchewan might come in handy.

Here is a province that is so laden with natural resources (oil & gas, forestry, minerals) that even Alberta would blush at the abundancy.

Yet, the provincial NDP government is taxing the population and business to such a degree that there are less than a million people left in the province. (There used to be more.)

The irony is that the very people who could vote-in a more realistic provincial government are leaving and moving to a province that already has one - Alberta - and it is us who get to benefit from their labours and entrepreneurship.

The other irony is that, in the ROC, Saskatchewan takes up about as much mental-awareness space as Khartoum.... wherever the hell that it! (Those grainy, discoloured 16mm films of waving fields of wheat must have really got to us.)

From way out here, NDP mutterings make no sense whatsoever.... but then, from way out here, neither do the ramblings, spins and outright crossed-finger lies of Liberals.

cynic Responded on: 10/11/2004 11:54:35 AM

to many of us right here, NDP mutterings make no sense either.

Barry Morris Responded on: 10/11/2004 2:32:53 PM

And (sigh) has commented. Whatever.

(sigh) Responded on: 10/11/2004 3:20:20 PM

We all bend to the knowledge of Barry, he has spoken, and so it is!

Scarlet Responded on: 10/11/2004 6:07:26 PM

Reading today's posts....

I used to think that the religious right had infiltrated all levels of society...now I know it...Sootoday appears overrun by the Religious Right, described by some as the most dangerous of all groups in N.A. these days. Even Bush is trying to push money thier way looking for support. Arggghhhh!!

Amos Responded on: 10/11/2004 7:08:59 PM

Don't mistake people with morals and clarity of vision as the "religious right". It is a pejorative term used in politcal circles.

And by the way, religious people have every much right to participate in civic duties as you do.

Barry Morris Responded on: 10/11/2004 8:20:32 PM

Easier to tag a label on someone than to engage in debate.

Werner Responded on: 10/11/2004 8:27:31 PM

Scarlet, religious or not, so far, we all have a voice. And to some of us, convictions matter. So they enter into our discussions.

Scarlet Responded on: 10/11/2004 9:41:49 PM

Just making an observation. No problem with religion. No problem with opinion. No problem with different politics. But this group seem to weld these three together in a somewhat destructive form. The religious right seems to come up with a concoction that is very hard on women and children in the name of God and counrty. Just an oberservation.

Seems somewhat scary to me. Quebec society quite rightly separated their government from the Catholic religion a few decades ago. No problem with either of these, I just don't think religion and politics mix well. Especially when you throw money into the mix.

AndyK Responded on: 10/12/2004 12:16:24 PM

"The religious right seems to come up with a concoction that is very hard on women and children in the name of God and counrty."

Scarlet, I'd hate to bring logic into this, but please provide an example of your above statement.

Bogart Responded on: 10/12/2004 2:03:24 PM

Frankly Scarlet, I don't give a damn!

Genesio Paciocco Responded on: 10/12/2004 7:10:19 PM

Has a New Democrat I have to say that FIBERAL Health Minister Ujjal Dosanjh today broke another election promise(should not surprise me!!!!) to strengthen Canada's public health care system by remaining silent on the opening of a private health clinic in Montreal.

This FIBERAL health minister campaigned against privatization. When FIBERAL'S are looking for votes they've got lots to say about privatization, but now that the election is over FIBERAL Dosanjh chooses to sit by and watch, instead of act as promised.

Immediately following his appointment as health minister, Ujjal Dosanjh made the following comments towards his commitments to health care.

"Well, first of all, I think it's important to recognize that privatization has been creeping into health care for sometime. I said that as a premier, and I'm prepared to say that today. We must stem that and enhance public health care and public delivery of health care."(CBC National july 20th,2004)

Instead of taking action on his words, FIBERAL Dosanjh is doing just the opposite, and yet again the FIBERAL'S are watching private health care grow, with private hospitals in Alberta, private homecare in Ontario, private clinics in BC,private MRI in Nova Scotia-and now Montreal.

The FIBERAL'S are clearly not listening to Canadians because if they were, the FIBERAL'S would know that Canadians want a public health care system with new ideas and positive solutions(Romanow report), not one that puts up walls and continues to cater to their FIBERAL CORPORATE BUDDIES in the health field. As a New Democrat it is not exceptable period. FIBERAL Paul(the Steven Harper)Martin stop playing with people lives and start acting in the public best interest and inact the Romanow report fully. or resign with your other sidekick FIBERAL Dalton McGuilty because you two gov't are CANADIAN ALLIANCE in reality and you use the word FIBERAL to hide this fact.

cynic Responded on: 10/12/2004 7:29:37 PM

yah, too bad that 2 of the current biggest problems with health care in Ontario, were created as a direct result of the provincial NDP in Ontario disaster of the early 90's - cut medical school seats; and screwed up pay rates for general practitioners, such that too few of the already too few graduating doctors, wanted to practice family medicine.
You've never yet addressed this Genesio, and I doubt you ever will, but here's your big chance buddy. Should we accept your ongoing silence on this, as an acknowledgement that your beloved NDPs really screwed this up?

Ronald T. Robinson Responded on: 10/12/2004 9:41:52 PM

Ask an NDP-er to organize a bunny-rut and you'll get a whole whack of rabbits with not enough to eat and not enough to do, or a reason to do it. But their hunger and reticence will be shared.

Barry Morris Responded on: 10/12/2004 9:51:58 PM

I think he forgot to answer another question, too. Or am I mistaken, GP?

Genesio Paciocco Responded on: 10/13/2004 8:12:03 AM

Question FIBERAL Paul(the Steven Harper)Martin stated that he was outside the loop in feb of this year. ie sponsorship scandal now their is a leaked memo stating his office and FIBERAL Paul(the Steven Harper)Martin had his finger prints all over the sponsorship. So Paul(the Steven Harper)Martin if that is the case and you mislead the Canadian then you should resign immediately????????

cynic Responded on: 10/13/2004 9:06:32 AM

I rest my case.

Hip Hop Responded on: 10/13/2004 10:10:57 AM

Get wit your yoyo here and der a hey ho
We all got to get wit Genesio
He talks with anger, he talks with rage
But we all know it’s jus a game he’s staged
‘Cause no one is really so dumb, no one really so crass
That they’d be proud when called trailer trash
So get wit your yoyo here and der a hey ho
We all got to get wit Genesio
He’ll lead us thru the streets
As he promises us great feats
He’ll tax those rich, squeeze their balls in a vice
Who cares ‘bout jobs in our worker’s paradise?
So get wit your yoyo here and der a hey ho
We all got to get wit Genesio

blb Responded on: 10/13/2004 10:25:18 AM

Redemptive violence is just another form of scapegoating and wrong. To see violence as a solution for anything defies God, the Word and Christianity. Examples abound. During the second world war the only counties able to confound and totally disarm the Nazis were those that offered passive resistence. Ditto India and Ghandi. Ditto South Africa and Mandella. What is going on in Iraq and Afghanistan will, in time, attest to our mistaken trust in violence as a legitimate response to our enemies. No I am not one and the same with Scarlett. But I am flattered. Ultimate Levity ... bumper sticker " Outlaw Reason... Usual for Mayor"

captain j Responded on: 10/13/2004 10:27:42 AM

genesio dumass

ujjal was premier of bc and until just recently was an ndp who knew he would never get elected as an ndp or br given any power....i have to say the ndp sure stand by their convictions...unless there is a high profile, high paying taxpayer funded job for them...with pension benefits in 6 years......wow the ndp are human like the other parties not mystic fairies sent from afar...choke on urself genesio you dumass

Question Responded on: 10/13/2004 10:43:07 AM

What did Bud ever do for us that he can critisize the MPP's today the way he is?

Genesio Paciocco Responded on: 10/13/2004 6:38:31 PM

It was stated again that the FIBERAL'S have low balled their economic forcast every year since they been elected then the surpluses are 4 or five time greater than what they state in every budget they brought in.

We have surplus of 9.1 billion dollars that monies should go towards the cities infrastructer and also for NATIONAL HOUSING STATAGY. FIBERAL Paul(the Steven Harper)Martin has no excuse now not too follow up on these issues and deal with poverty immediately or RESIGN!!!!!!!!!

Also where is FIBERAL Dalton McGuilty today stating we need some of this surplus to reinstate chiropractic, eye doctor and physico back into the health coverage and getting rid of the HEALTH TAX REGRESSIVE TAX yesterday!!!!!! Not a word today at all from FIBERAL David Orazietti not advocating for our best public interest ie what I have mention above. The monies are their but no political will. That just reaffirms what I have been stating all along FIBERALS only care about their FIBERAL CORPORATE BUDDIES(BAY STREET) and not (MAIN STREET) which I advocate for day in and day out.

FIBERAL Orazietti you been exposed to your loyalities FIBERAL CORPORATE BUDDIES and with the greatest of respect RESIGN call a election and I will gladly put my name(NDP) up for consideration for the good people of Sault Ste Marie too make that judgement.

FIBERAL McGuilty and Orazietti 231 and counting broken promises that is unexceptable to the people you have broken those promises too(949-6959)

colonel Responded on: 10/13/2004 7:46:27 PM

genesio as per usual you are right on with your postings please keep up the outstanding work you should be the next mpp for the sault comrade

Ellie May Responded on: 10/13/2004 11:06:34 PM

People, there really is no such thing as God. Don't you get it? You are God. God is within you, being projected outward. This, today...here and now, is all there is, folks. Make the most of it. There are no dress rehearsals to life, no paradise, or second chances at redemption. There is nothing like what any religious book, bible, koran, whatever, leads you to believe. Grow up people. No God will save you. There is no heaven, no hell, either. There is only this day, this time, this space called your life, on this planet. There is no afterlife beyond the grave! Of this, I am certain.

Lisa Responded on: 10/14/2004 1:04:34 AM

Ellie May --- If this is what you believe than how do you even cope with every day life??? I feel sorry for you.

Ellis J. Responded on: 10/14/2004 6:22:41 AM

Dear Ellie May
I don't know how anyone can be so certain and be so wrong. You remind me of George Bush.

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